dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
Your probably right .What little experience I have of Arabs trying to kill me doesn't actually fill me with much respect for their combat abilities,but,then my countries not surrounded by them.
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Well, I give credit where credit is due. Some are very able fighters. Syria, when I was first in Lebanon, had some really crack commadoes. I would put them against most armies but it was onlt 2 units that I was aware of. Most ran when able.
Among militants, it is a different dynamic because they are not inductees , usually, but really wanted to carry that gun. Lst year, again in LEbanon, I fought some very able Hezbolli, especially the guys carrying LAWs and similar arms.
They were well directed and moderately disciplined. They managed to tal one Merkava (much less than reported by the enamoured Western Press) but still a major accomplishment and of course I am sure you heard about one of our gunboats taking a major hit off Beirut.
On even ground they have no chance what so ever but given they hold the home field, they can do the dirt.
48 showed that numbers on their own are pretty much meaningless but if you were to inspire a militant incursion out of a pool 1 billion strong, of every ethnicity, race, and culture on Earth there is no saying what the result could be, more importantly I do not wish to find out.
Among militants, it is a different dynamic because they are not inductees , usually, but really wanted to carry that gun. Lst year, again in LEbanon, I fought some very able Hezbolli, especially the guys carrying LAWs and similar arms.
They were well directed and moderately disciplined. They managed to tal one Merkava (much less than reported by the enamoured Western Press) but still a major accomplishment and of course I am sure you heard about one of our gunboats taking a major hit off Beirut.
On even ground they have no chance what so ever but given they hold the home field, they can do the dirt.
48 showed that numbers on their own are pretty much meaningless but if you were to inspire a militant incursion out of a pool 1 billion strong, of every ethnicity, race, and culture on Earth there is no saying what the result could be, more importantly I do not wish to find out.
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
It strikes me that the Israel-Palestine question is one of the last bastions of good old 19th century racial theories - the real old school stuff, about ancient tribes of civilisers and their descendens. Probably because this is one of the last of the wave of 19th century-style colonisations. Far more successful than Rhodesia and far less successful than North America!
Random: So much for theories...
I suggest you study the history kjust a bit more. Jeews, evenm white skinned and blue eyed from Polanmd are not colonisers in Israel. the land is the land of THEIR ancestors. OF any people existing there prior to Jeewish settlement many thousands of years ago, they are ALL extinct, the last one going extinct more than 2000 years ago.
Ergo, Jews ARE the indigenous people of the land.
How do we know those white skinned and blue eyed Jews are really descended from these original Jews? True science, not 19th Century theories in eugenics. DNA, Y Chromosomal Markers (patrilineal mutations that connect a group closely and even show the time period in which they left a given greographical area, in this case showing when my people left Israel). ,ore than 4000 gentic diseases most of which are found among no other people, and so on.
The 19th Century saw many advances and even the inklings of what would soon become anthropology but it has nothing to do with what I am talking about. In fact, just a couple of days ago yet another link was recovered, property belonging to a family listed in the Old Testament was found in Jerusalem further giveing proof to Jewish claims...as if we need them given the Herodian, Ma'sa'dah, Bet'l';chem,Cave, 4 dozen major tombs, and so on...
I suggest you study the history kjust a bit more. Jeews, evenm white skinned and blue eyed from Polanmd are not colonisers in Israel. the land is the land of THEIR ancestors. OF any people existing there prior to Jeewish settlement many thousands of years ago, they are ALL extinct, the last one going extinct more than 2000 years ago.
Ergo, Jews ARE the indigenous people of the land.
How do we know those white skinned and blue eyed Jews are really descended from these original Jews? True science, not 19th Century theories in eugenics. DNA, Y Chromosomal Markers (patrilineal mutations that connect a group closely and even show the time period in which they left a given greographical area, in this case showing when my people left Israel). ,ore than 4000 gentic diseases most of which are found among no other people, and so on.
The 19th Century saw many advances and even the inklings of what would soon become anthropology but it has nothing to do with what I am talking about. In fact, just a couple of days ago yet another link was recovered, property belonging to a family listed in the Old Testament was found in Jerusalem further giveing proof to Jewish claims...as if we need them given the Herodian, Ma'sa'dah, Bet'l';chem,Cave, 4 dozen major tombs, and so on...
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Peoples have been migrating for millenia. Should the Turks go back to the steppes of central Asia?
"Historic claim to the land", my arse.
"Historic claim to the land", my arse.
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
Well done. 'We're the indigenous inhabitants because we killed all the previous inhabitants.' I'm sure we can all see the implications for that little doctrine, without me having to spell it out.
'Excuse me, I'd like to move into your house, on account of my Y Chromosonal Marker, you see.'
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
Looks like a misuse of genetic science to justify forced ethnic-ingathering to supposed ancestral origins. Smells like facist ideology at the root of this push. Not only Jews are being forced to ingather, but other groups - a 'Balkanisation' on ethno-nationalist grounds - definitely this IS a 19th century ideology.
tangentlama
Nameless voices crying
Those 'brothers' were ethnically cleansed out of America 'charitably' to be used as a vanguard. The sooner they are brought safely into Israel the better.
Also good to hear is that the disarmament of settlers has begun.
Also good to hear is that the disarmament of settlers has begun.
Nino: "People have been migrating for millenia.": Indeed they have but then by your trite rationalisation no nations should exist because we are al;l descended from Hunter/Gatherers, right?
Jews stopped migrating between 3 and 4000 years agom the Bronze Age. It is a little different nino. Of people living there before us, as I always need to remind you, none survived with the last rmenants disappearing before the
Common/Christain Era.
IF migration does not matter either way, then we must also negate the claims of ALL Arab groups.
Jews stopped migrating between 3 and 4000 years agom the Bronze Age. It is a little different nino. Of people living there before us, as I always need to remind you, none survived with the last rmenants disappearing before the
Common/Christain Era.
IF migration does not matter either way, then we must also negate the claims of ALL Arab groups.
Random: ":Well done, we are the indigenous inhabitants because we killed all the other inhabitants.": Well that is usually how it happens although in this particular case it was mostly ABOUT CULTURAL AND ETHNIC ASSIMILATION.
"Moving into houses because of Y Chromosomal Modalities.":: I said land, not houses. The only houses moved into were those illegaly built and/or abandoned. Noone snatched the home of another family based on genetics, the idea is preposterous. In fact, as has been discussed ad naseum, Arabs living in all areas of the Mandate were offered their own independant and totally Arab Nation...problem was that they wanted ALL of it.
"Moving into houses because of Y Chromosomal Modalities.":: I said land, not houses. The only houses moved into were those illegaly built and/or abandoned. Noone snatched the home of another family based on genetics, the idea is preposterous. In fact, as has been discussed ad naseum, Arabs living in all areas of the Mandate were offered their own independant and totally Arab Nation...problem was that they wanted ALL of it.
Tangent: "19th Century etc.": Look, I hhave gone into this a million times here. Noone is claiming the land based on anything genetic. The claim is based on hsitorical rights as well as International Law, remember the Ratification anybody?
The genetic angle is only introduced when other people, primarily Arabs try to negate the Jewish claim to the land and state that they are "Canaanites" or something equally silly and even sillier that Jews are just Euroepan colonialists (ironically it is Arabs that are the colonialists having rode in from Hejaz but that is another bowl of hummus).
If someone tries to say that Jews have no right to the lkand because for example, today's Jews are not related to the Tribes of Israel, or some other bunch of garbage then quite naturally one must understand when genetic evidence is brought int to prove otherwise.
I do not understand your last post.
The genetic angle is only introduced when other people, primarily Arabs try to negate the Jewish claim to the land and state that they are "Canaanites" or something equally silly and even sillier that Jews are just Euroepan colonialists (ironically it is Arabs that are the colonialists having rode in from Hejaz but that is another bowl of hummus).
If someone tries to say that Jews have no right to the lkand because for example, today's Jews are not related to the Tribes of Israel, or some other bunch of garbage then quite naturally one must understand when genetic evidence is brought int to prove otherwise.
I do not understand your last post.
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