more people in uk die from/after contact with the police than terrorism

[twentythreedom]

So does that mean it is the tactics used nowadays by UK cops or not?

That prog is of course showing the most dramatic scenes but yes it is the tactics they use (or have at their disposal)

 

[Saul Goodman]

Sure. But if you're going to compare the numbers of police related deaths to terrorist deaths, the comparison is fatuous unless you exclude from police deaths those that are not attributable directly to the police. You may as well compare armchair deaths.

Have you ever sought medical attention whilst in police custody?

 

[twentythreedom]

some advice i was given many years ago was, if you're about to get nicked and there's no chance of getting away then surrender gracefully, hold up your hands in front of you and say something along the lines of - although not - it's a fair cop guv, so you don't get your arms wrenched up behind your back etc.

Go quietly, don't be a dick, say nothing (ime )

 

[DotCommunist]

saw a bloke gagged with his own scarf for being a spitter once. Felt that was bang out of order.

 

[Plumdaff]

I've seen a very unwell young man get punched in the face by a copper in a hospital resus in front of doctors and nurses. We all complained but I doubt anything happened to the officer. Given that I don't fancy your chances being really unwell in a police station, especially if you're poor, black, mentally ill or all three.

 

[1%er]

Well just for a little perspective, in just one State, Rio de Janeiro (I chose that State as the Olympics are there in about 100 days) 8,466 have been killed by just one branch of law enforcement (Polícia Militar), 5,132 of them with-in the city district between 2005 and 2015. The figures don't include those killed by the Polícia Federal or Polícia Civil. Nationwide the Polícia Militar kill on average 6 people a day.

In general 1 person is killed/murdered about every 10 minutes here nationwide, that's just under 51,000 a year.

How does the UK rate compare with other countries on the European continent?

 

[The39thStep]

Thank heavens for the counter terrorism operations

 

[Pickman's model]

Well just for a little perspective, in just one State, Rio de Janeiro (I chose that State as the Olympics are there in about 100 days) 8,466 have been killed by just one branch of law enforcement (Polícia Militar), 5,132 of them with-in the city district between 2005 and 2015. The figures don't include those killed by the Polícia Federal or Polícia Civil. Nationwide the Polícia Militar kill on average 6 people a day.

In general 1 person is killed/murdered about every 10 minutes here nationwide, that's just under 51,000 a year.

How does the UK rate compare with other countries on the European continent?

how does brazil compare with other countries on the south american continent? is it an outlier in this regard?

 

[Saul Goodman]

Well just for a little perspective, in just one State, Rio de Janeiro (I chose that State as the Olympics are there in about 100 days) 8,466 have been killed by just one branch of law enforcement (Polícia Militar), 5,132 of them with-in the city district between 2005 and 2015. The figures don't include those killed by the Polícia Federal or Polícia Civil. Nationwide the Polícia Militar kill on average 6 people a day.

In general 1 person is killed/murdered about every 10 minutes here nationwide, that's just under 51,000 a year.

How does the UK rate compare with other countries on the European continent?

It isn't a competition

 

[1%er]

how does brazil compare with other countries on the south american continent? is it an outlier in this regard?

Brazil is one of the worst in the world even if you count war-zones for murder, but for police killing/murders it is probably the worst in the world.

I believe the NE region is the worst area in Brazil for murders, the 5 worst states are Alagoas, Ceara, Rio Grande do Norte, Sergipe and Para. I have a feeling that Venezuela will be the worst in South America when next years figures are released but that will be mainly down to the increase because of the situation there which has caused a massive increase in violent crime and murder.

 

[SpineyNorman]

every year this century, including 2005

Deaths in police custody | INQUEST

I'm going to steal this observation and pass it off as my own work

 

[friendofdorothy]

Well just for a little perspective, in just one State, Rio de Janeiro (I chose that State as the Olympics are there in about 100 days) 8,466 have been killed by just one branch of law enforcement (Polícia Militar), 5,132 of them with-in the city district between 2005 and 2015. The figures don't include those killed by the Polícia Federal or Polícia Civil. Nationwide the Polícia Militar kill on average 6 people a day.

In general 1 person is killed/murdered about every 10 minutes here nationwide, that's just under 51,000 a year.

How does the UK rate compare with other countries on the European continent?

I think that is worthy of its own thread.

 

[mauvais]

It's not hard to beat the terrorism stats, is it.

You're five times more likely to die by falling out of bed.

Although, tbf, probably five times more likely again if you were asleep in a police station at the top of some stairs.

 

[likesfish]

Problem is the police deal with the mad the violent the drunk drugged etc.
Not being mind readers and used to dealing with the drugged/drunk the seriously mentally unwell/ ill may be
Lumped in with drug drunk and left to sleep it off.
Doesnt excuse when the police fuck up and someone dies but they arnt running death camps. Or gun happy like certain US police forces.

 

[Artaxerxes]

I nearly got knocked off my bike by one who was turning left across a cycle lane (the cycle lane is on a pavement, with a drop down curb leading into a garage)..... he didn't even notice I was there even after shouting at him.

Your lucky, could have been done for assaulting a police officer

 

[Pickman's model]

It's not hard to beat the terrorism stats, is it.

You're five times more likely to die by falling out of bed.

Although, tbf, probably five times more likely again if you were asleep in a police station at the top of some stairs.

yeh. but this is comparing people who don't much care who they kill with terrorists.

 

[1%er]

Anyone know how the UK figures compare with other countries on the European continent where the police carry guns as a matter of course?

 

[hegley]

yeh. but this is comparing people who don't much care who they kill with terrorists.

More people die in the UK from/after hospital psychiatric detention than contact with the police. A more relevant comparison. Oh, and you're more likely to get run over by a London bus than a police car.

 

[Pickman's model]

More people die in the UK from/after hospital psychiatric detention than contact with the police. A more relevant comparison.

is it? why?

 

[hegley]

is it? why?

I'm sure you're smart enough to work that out for yourself.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm sure you're smart enough to work that out for yourself.

right. you can't articulate it yourself. i see.

how many people have died from being shot by psychiatric staff over, say, the past dozen years or killed in public by them? how many people have been killed during psychiatric staff car chases? or in other rtis caused by or involving psychiatric staff?

 

[hegley]

right. you can't articulate it yourself. i see.

I'm more than capable of articulating it - I just think you're being deliberately obtuse to make a point.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm more than capable of articulating it - I just think you're being deliberately obtuse to make a point.

yeh you say you're capable but you refuse to prove it.

 

[hegley]

Last time I checked terrorists didn't have a duty of care to anyone - custody staff, either in a police station or a psychiatric unit do. So it's a more appropriate comparison. You're more likely to die in a psychiatric unit than in police custody. Bus drivers have a duty of care too and they manage to run over quite a few more people than the police do.

 

[Pickman's model]

Last time I checked terrorists didn't have a duty of care to anyone - custody staff, either in a police station or a psychiatric unit do. So it's a more appropriate comparison. You're more likely to die in a psychiatric unit than in police custody. Bus drivers have a duty of care too and they manage to run over quite a few more people than the police do.

so let's see the stats which support your case.

 

[hegley]

Hospital psychiatric detainees more at risk of preventable death

 

[likesfish]

Jack Susianta canal death was 'drug-related accident' - BBC News

This is a sad case teenage boy takes drugs flips out runs away from police and jumps in the canal police watch from bank as he drowns.
Water rescue is hard even more so when the person doesnt want to be rescued and is completely irrational.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I've seen a very unwell young man get punched in the face by a copper in a hospital resus in front of doctors and nurses. We all complained but I doubt anything happened to the officer. Given that I don't fancy your chances being really unwell in a police station, especially if you're poor, black, mentally ill or all three.

When I was telling my sister about a poor, black, mentally ill friend who had been beaten senseless without provocation by four coppers then left in a cell for 12 hours with concussion and repeatedly refused medical treatment, she didn't believe me.

'Oh, I heard the police were a bit racist in parts of America, but not here surely?'



Got quite angry about that. There's no excuse for being so ignorant.

 

[Saul Goodman]

When I was telling my sister about a poor, black, mentally ill friend who had been beaten senseless without provocation by four coppers then left in a cell for 12 hours with concussion and repeatedly refused medical treatment, she didn't believe me.

'Oh, I heard the police were a bit racist in parts of America, but not here surely?'



Got quite angry about that. There's no excuse for being so ignorant.

People who haven't been on the 'wrong side' of the law, tend to think differently than anyone who knows the truth.