Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
yes. but despite requests you have not suggested a single case on which to focus.
more people in uk die from/after contact with the police than terrorism
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bi0boy
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I am criticising the fatuous comparison in the thread title, and the poor quality of statistical data on the site you linked to.This does not obligate me to produce a case study of a death in police custody, and doing so would not support my line of argumentation.
1%er
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Its interesting to see how the actions nowadays of the British police seem to mirror the tactics employed by the police in the USA where far more people die while in contact with the police. I was sent a link to a UK TV show called Interceptors (iirc that was the name), the UK police seem to now be making people lie-down and then kneel on their head or neck before/while they are being hand chuffed. They also seem to pull out their tasers at every opportunity.
Is this now normal or is it just for the TV cameras?
Is this now normal or is it just for the TV cameras?
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
go on then, let's see some better stats if you know of them
Were the thread to have been titled "Pigs can, in fact, fly" it would also have been false.
Were it to have been titled "Not what bi0boy wants to argue against" it would have been redundant.
friendofdorothy
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Help this armchair is attacking me!
your line of argument seems only to want an argument. You sound like a dick.
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friendofdorothy
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interesting stats. Theres a section on there about disproprtionate deaths of BME people too. Goes to read more carefully
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
there's some more detailed stats here for 13/14: haven't had time to read them because i'm trying to identify a 17th century book we found at work.
friendofdorothy
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help! this armchair is trying to stop my legal right to protest! help! stop, this armchair is hitting me on the head with a baton.. help! this armchair is sitting on me...
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
no title page. have established its title: but i'm trying to date it and it's very hard when you don't have a title page. it seems to postdate the restoration, being as it has a royal crest in it, but just ploughing through eebo now.No title page?
bi0boy
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From the report pickman's linked to:
"help! these police officers have given me cocaine, amphetamine butylone toxicity! help! these police officers are making me die from type 2 diabetes mellitus and hypertensive heart disease!"
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
i'm sorry, i'm having difficulty locating this quote. perhaps you could indicate where you found it.
From the report pickman's linked to:
"help! these police officers have given me cocaine, amphetamine butylone toxicity! help! these police officers are making me die from type 2 diabetes mellitus and hypertensive heart disease!"
friendofdorothy
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and what about the rest? - not all police related deaths are 'natural'
From the report pickman's linked to:
"help! these police officers have given me cocaine, amphetamine butylone toxicity! help! these police officers are making me die from type 2 diabetes mellitus and hypertensive heart disease!"
its in the IPCC report
bi0boy
Power User
Sure. But if you're going to compare the numbers of police related deaths to terrorist deaths, the comparison is fatuous unless you exclude from police deaths those that are not attributable directly to the police. You may as well compare armchair deaths.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
bi0boy
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There are other uses for quotation marks other than for direct quotations.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
i have noticed rather more being done to prevent deaths at the hands of terrorists than being done to prevent death at the hands of the police. absolutely nothing has, to the best of my knowledge, been done to reduce the incidence of armchair deaths: being as there are fuck all.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
when you say "from the report" it does indicate that the subsequent quote may be found in the report. the "quotes" are neither a) direct nor b) paraphrases, but are c) invented.
bi0boy
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Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
do they? i suppose you can post up some stats to support your claim.
bi0boy
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More than are killed by terrorists I'd guess, although precise statistics are hard to come by.
Athos
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friendofdorothy
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yes we are supposed to be terried by terrorists and yet we are supposed to trust the police.
friendofdorothy
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now you sound like a dick again
Coppers in "being violent cunts" shock
1%er
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So does that mean it is the tactics used nowadays by UK cops or not?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
depends. On the programs made for entertainment its probably the gung-ho saturday night/protest policing/hi speed chase addicts and yes they do tend to go all 'Control and Restraint' in a manner as you saw on that tele prog you mentioned. They enjoy the adrenaline imo
friendofdorothy
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all the news from the Hillsborough Inquest is bringing back my 1980's paranoia. The policed then showed open contempt for people if they were working class, black, gay, miners. young, football supporters etc etc. I'm not sure who they actually respected. Young officers then would probably be a senior officers now, and that is worrying.
I was brought up to respect the police. I lost respect when I saw how they behaved at Greenham, at miners protests, at Section 28 marches, at at the poll tax riots, at numerous other protests and finally when they shot Jean Charles de Menezes.
I was brought up to respect the police. I lost respect when I saw how they behaved at Greenham, at miners protests, at Section 28 marches, at at the poll tax riots, at numerous other protests and finally when they shot Jean Charles de Menezes.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
some advice i was given many years ago was, if you're about to get nicked and there's no chance of getting away then surrender gracefully, hold up your hands in front of you and say something along the lines of - although not - it's a fair cop guv, so you don't get your arms wrenched up behind your back etc.
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