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[ViolentPanda]

I was in rural north Norfolk a couple of weeks ago and on one morning we had to drop off a couple of kids at a nursey.

I swear every child there had exactly the same hair and eyes. It was like suddenly being in The Midwich Cuckoos.

I used to feel like that as a child spending the school summer holiday in Norfolk, and having a great problem putting names to my scores of very similar-looking cousins, except everyone had black hair rather than blond(e). Same piercing blue eyes as the Cuckoos though.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Still, judging people on what you think is in their genes has a hint of the 1930s about it.

Who has spoken of judging people by their genes or what one assumes or "thinks" is in them?
As far as I can see one person (XerxesVargas) made a fairly innocuous remark about inbreeding, which was then picked up and made an issue of by your good self and no-one else, at which time I addressed your point by mentioning that you had misrepresented XerxesVargas's original post.
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Perhaps if people attacked the BNP's actions and policies, rather than accusing them of being in-bred, you might a better result.

Ah, so that's what we've been doing wrong.
Thank you, oh great sage, for setting us right.

 

[CharlieMuffin]

Then what you fail to see is that you're ascribing a problem to a particular community, rather than emphasising that what you're seeing is a single manifestation of a problem that occurs in many communities.

As it is, it might appear to some people that you're talking about something that is only (in your own words) "a problem for some elements ofthe Islamic community" .

I believe it is one of the more pressing problems due to the large numbers involved and the fact that it would appear to be accepted practice within that culture. We aren't doing anyone any favours through pretending oherwise, are we?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

*sniff*

 

[ViolentPanda]

I believe it is one of the more pressing problems due to the large numbers involved and the fact that it would appear to be accepted practice within that culture. We aren't doing anyone any favours through pretending oherwise, are we?

There's a big difference between your formulation of "a problem for some elements ofthe Islamic community" and your further claim that "...it would appear to be accepted practice within that culture", and the reality that such problems tend to affect, even in your own experience, "Pakistanis", and most likely, if an agglomeration of "received wisdom", anthropological and sociological investigation can be believed, affects "working class" Pakistanis of a rural background who derive from close-knit family units.

It isn't a case of "pretending otherwise", it's a case of explaining that the problem you're discussing isn't inherent only to "Pakistanis", but one that is experienced, and has been experienced at one time or another, by every community.

Your average bonehead would love to seize on some evidence, however subjective, that "Pakistanis" are somehow inferior. All I'm doing is reminding whoever reads this and actually needs to be reminded, that ALL cultures have and do suffer inbreeding problems.

 

[ViolentPanda]

*sniff*

Don't sniff, it's undignified.

Here, have a tissue.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I hope it's a white tissue. Don't like coloureds.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I hope it's a white tissue. Don't like coloureds.

Not only is it a racially pure tissue, it's unused as well!

 

[laptop]

*sniff*

Society lady: Dr Johnson, you smell!

Dr J: No, Madame, you smell, I stink.

 

[CharlieMuffin]

There's a big difference between your formulation of "a problem for some elements ofthe Islamic community" and your further claim that "...it would appear to be accepted practice within that culture", and the reality that such problems tend to affect, even in your own experience, "Pakistanis", and most likely, if an agglomeration of "received wisdom", anthropological and sociological investigation can be believed, affects "working class" Pakistanis of a rural background who derive from close-knit family units.

It isn't a case of "pretending otherwise", it's a case of explaining that the problem you're discussing isn't inherent only to "Pakistanis", but one that is experienced, and has been experienced at one time or another, by every community.

Your average bonehead would love to seize on some evidence, however subjective, that "Pakistanis" are somehow inferior. All I'm doing is reminding whoever reads this and actually needs to be reminded, that ALL cultures have and do suffer inbreeding problems.

No one is pretending that inbreeding doesn't affect every community to some degree or other. However it remains the case that some communities due to cultural norms have a qualitatively greater problem than others. This includes Pakistani's who may or may not be of working class origins as well as, for example the Saudi Royal family. I have to say I am somewhat concerned that you introduced the idea of inbreeding being a peculiarly 'working class' problem as it was not mentioned by me nor iirc did it appear in the original article. I think some of you are getting a bit keen on this 'Dagenham sub-human line of reasoning'. In fact Tories are very keen to jump on any indication that working class people are in some way inferior- don't give them ammunition.

 

[ViolentPanda]

No one is pretending that inbreeding doesn't affect every community to some degree or other. However it remains the case that some communities due to cultural norms have a qualitatively greater problem than others. This includes Pakistani's who may or may not be of working class origins as well as, for example the Saudi Royal family. I have to say I am somewhat concerned that you introduced the idea of inbreeding being a peculiarly 'working class' problem as it was not mentioned by me nor iirc did it appear in the original article. I think some of you are getting a bit keen on this 'Dagenham sub-human line of reasoning'. In fact Tories are very keen to jump on any indication that working class people are in some way inferior- don't give them ammunition.

Nice try.

I actually (as opposed to what you insinuate), in the context of the "Pakistanis" you spoke of, mentioned that "... if an agglomeration of "received wisdom", anthropological and sociological investigation can be believed, affects "working class" Pakistanis of a rural background who derive from close-knit family units".
That's hardly the introduction of "the idea of inbreeding being a peculiarly 'working class' problem" that you have been so quick to accuse me of.

Try again, but this time please actually think before writing. It may be that such practice stops you looking quite so foolish in future.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I think some of you are getting a bit keen on this 'Dagenham sub-human line of reasoning'. In fact Tories are very keen to jump on any indication that working class people are in some way inferior- don't give them ammunition.

Any actually evidence or proof for this, or are we to trust your intuition and your ability to interpret what people have written into something they didn't state?

 

[123bpm]

Who has spoken of judging people by their genes or what one assumes or "thinks" is in them?
As far as I can see one person (XerxesVargas) made a fairly innocuous remark about inbreeding, which was then picked up and made an issue of by your good self and no-one else, at which time I addressed your point by mentioning that you had misrepresented XerxesVargas's original post.
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Ah, so that's what we've been doing wrong.
Thank you, oh great sage, for setting us right.

Yes, I picked up on the comment that you considered to be fairly innocuous. Nothing passes you by, eh?

When you 'addressed my point' you merely stated that in-breeding can cause cretinism. I have no doubt that that is true, however my point was that there is no evidence whatsoever that BNP members are inbred, and to suggest that this is the case is a bit iffy, and a bit, well, eugenicist. End of.

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[KeyboardJockey]

Yes, I picked up on the comment that you considered to be fairly innocuous. Nothing passes you by, eh?

When you 'addressed my point' you merely stated that in-breeding can cause cretinism. I have no doubt that that is true, however my point was that there is no evidence whatsoever that BNP members are inbred, and to suggest that this is the case is a bit iffy, and a bit, well, eugenicist. End of.

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Well the ones I've seen ain't excatly bright.

 

[123bpm]

Well the ones I've seen ain't excatly bright.

You're right. The vast majority of BNP organisers seem to be as thick as (Lincolnshire) pig shite. Blame their lack of education, their parents, the council, Blair, Hitler, Lee Jasper, Jasper Carrott or their too-tight stonewashed Levi jeans - I'm not that arsed, but blaming their genes is just stoopid.

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[ViolentPanda]

Yes, I picked up on the comment that you considered to be fairly innocuous. Nothing passes you by, eh?

True, not even your risible attempt at sarcasm.

When you 'addressed my point' you merely stated that in-breeding can cause cretinism. I have no doubt that that is true, however my point was that there is no evidence whatsoever that BNP members are inbred...

That'd probably be due to the lack of specific research on the subject as much as because members of the BNP are genetic exemplars though.

...and to suggest that this is the case is a bit iffy, and a bit, well, eugenicist.

Eugenicist?
Eugenics is the science of improving the gene pool of a "race" through selective breeding and culling. How the hell is somebody making a joking suggestion that a political group might be mildy inbred "eugenicist"?

Go down to the shops and buy yourself a sense of proportion.

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It doesn't work like that, I'm afraid.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You're right. The vast majority of BNP organisers seem to be as thick as (Lincolnshire) pig shite. Blame their lack of education, their parents, the council, Blair, Hitler, Lee Jasper, Jasper Carrott or their too-tight stonewashed Levi jeans - I'm not that arsed, but blaming their genes is just stoopid.

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Who exactly has "blamed their genes"?

 

[CharlieMuffin]

Nice try.

I actually (as opposed to what you insinuate), in the context of the "Pakistanis" you spoke of, mentioned that "... if an agglomeration of "received wisdom", anthropological and sociological investigation can be believed, affects "working class" Pakistanis of a rural background who derive from close-knit family units".
That's hardly the introduction of "the idea of inbreeding being a peculiarly 'working class' problem" that you have been so quick to accuse me of.

Try again, but this time please actually think before writing. It may be that such practice stops you looking quite so foolish in future.

You were very quick to introduce it into the topic ,I am not aware of anyone else bringing up the class nature of the unfortunates involved.

 

[CharlieMuffin]

Any actually evidence or proof for this, or are we to trust your intuition and your ability to interpret what people have written into something they didn't state?

I refer the honourable gentlepanda to his later posts.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You were very quick to introduce it into the topic ,I am not aware of anyone else bringing up the class nature of the unfortunates involved.

I was "very quick"?
That may be your perception, but it's entirely unrelated to reality.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I refer the honourable gentlepanda to his later posts.

And I'm asking you to post concrete examples rather than the above.

 

[CharlieMuffin]

I was "very quick"?
That may be your perception, but it's entirely unrelated to reality.

Matter of opinion old bean and I am not getting into an argument with you concerning the nature of reality. Or should that be in Panda parlance - the nature of reality.