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[Soul On Ice]

As a relatively regular reader of the BNP website (someone has to check out what the nasty fucks are saying) I note that a recent article from John Bean a "veteran nationalist" said:

"For the immediate future we will be judged on the performance of our 56 councillors"

The link is here:
http://www.bnp .org. uk/columnists/notebook2.php?jbId=39

Well John, the performance of your 56 councillors is pretty shambolic up to now.

 

[audiotech]

That must be the same John Bean who, along with John Tyndall and Colin Jordan proceeded to rebuild, with some success, the political fortunes of the extreme right in the sixties.

They were all determined to launch a fully fledged fascist party. In 1960, joining forces with others they formed the British National Party. They wanted to set up ‘a racial nationalist folk state...embodied in the creed of national socialism and unique implemented by Adolf Hitler’.

For more on this see: Ray Hill with Andrew Bell: The Other Face of Terror, Grafton Books (1988) p,29.

 

[SuburbanCasual]

It's a dangerous game to criticise the BNP because their councillors are a bit shit, have you actually been to a council meeting? It is confusing I can see how it is quite easy to vote the wrong way, and miss votes altogether. I may have done the same at union conferences myself when I first started going.

Also Ray Hill is a rascist anti semitic and unreliable scumbag, who sold out purely for money, he may have worked for Searchlies but I don't think he ever gave up his beliefs really.

And he is referring to a different BNP there as well.

 

[audiotech]

As a relatively regular reader of the BNP website (someone has to check out what the nasty fucks are saying) I note that a recent article from John Bean a "veteran nationalist" said:

"For the immediate future we will be judged on the performance of our 56 councillors"

You'll need to break that link btw.

 

[audiotech]

And he is referring to a different BNP there as well.

He is, but you'll note the quotation marks in the relevant bit.

As for Hill and the comments you make? Didn't he renounce all those things by the very fact of becoming a mole for the anti-fascist cause?

 

[SuburbanCasual]

Don't get me wrong, I am well aware that Mr Bean is a proper hardcore nazi and Tyndallista.

 

[laptop]

A Dagenham councillor starting lunchbreak, yesterday:

 

[audiotech]

Don't get me wrong, I am well aware that Mr Bean is a proper hardcore nazi and Tyndallista.

I take note, however, not many people know his past in any detail. I'm pleasantly suprised that you do.

 

[SuburbanCasual]

Studying the far right is a useful hobby .

 

[William of Walworth]

What the bnp are saying on their website and what they are whispering to people in local pubs are totally different things.

Absolutely. The BNP target the gullible and easily led. They (presumably) know that when they encounter a thoughtful intelligent voter (of whom they are plenty, all classes, it's insulting to the non ignorant to make exuses for the gullibility of those who believe their shit) they know they're on a hiding to nothing. They exploit existing (legit AND non legit) concerns and racialise them and invent rumours and exaggerate stories and spread local anecdote, blaming problems on Africans being given council houses and the like.

My problem with the BNP is that I'd be a terrible campaigner against them. I know all about how counterproductive it is to write them off as 'fascists' and to run a counter-BNP campaign relying on that. A campaign ran by outside campaigners will be met with suspicion, and active hostility if they use stupid slogans like 'asylum seekers welcome here' that just alienate locals, as was employed a few years ago. A campaign has got to be local-led.

But I'd be rubbish, because I have too little (as in no) patience with that minority of stupid gullible fuckwits who believe (and WANT to believe) BNP shit. Plenty of working people resist their propaganda and anecdote-spreading, its THOSE people I respect.

 

[William of Walworth]

the support caravan supplied by Steve, the BNP Liverpool Organiser was broken into and items stolen including all of Tom’s clothes, digital camera, binoculars, multi-tool, mobile phone charger and other items including the donation of over £70, a sum raised in the Liverpool pub the night before the duo set off

Fucks sake .... how do they succeed in raising money like this? Do they lie about their agenda or tell the truth about it??

And well done to the tea leaves I don't often say that ...

 

[123bpm]

Surely somebody must start holding these people up as examples of the outcome of inbreeding. Still, its always good to some some Fash fucked up again.

You seem to be suggesting that mixed heritage people are more intelligent than those without a mixed heritage.

Isn't that racist?

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[editor]

Will posters please NOT post up direct links to dodgy sites and will those telling them off please refrain from quoting the aforementioned dodgy link?

 

[Soul On Ice]

Will posters please NOT post up direct links to dodgy sites and will those telling them off please refrain from quoting the aforementioned dodgy link?

Sorry ed - my fault genuine mistake. I din't realise it wasn't allowed. Just for a point of clarification - is it alright to indicate (without a direct hyperlink) where the dodgy website is? If so why is it ok to do this but not post a hyperlink.

My questions are genuine questions - I'm not trying to be clever so please don't flame me.

 

[Streathamite]

You seem to be suggesting that mixed heritage people are more intelligent than those without a mixed heritage.

Isn't that racist?

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err, inbreeding is not a given amongst ALL those of non-mixed heritage!

 

[ViolentPanda]

You seem to be suggesting that mixed heritage people are more intelligent than those without a mixed heritage.

No he doesn't.
He appears to be suggesting that inbreeding results in stupidity, and it is scientific fact that inbreeding can result in cretinism.

Isn't that racist?

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In this case it appears that racism is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[laptop]

Sorry ed - my fault genuine mistake. I din't realise it wasn't allowed. Just for a point of clarification - is it alright to indicate (without a direct hyperlink) where the dodgy website is? If so why is it ok to do this but not post a hyperlink.

My questions are genuine questions - I'm not trying to be clever so please don't flame me.

It' generally OK to post the link so long as you "break" it - introducing a space after the "www." for example will stop the board software making it a clickable link.

There is no problem (for urban75) with people pasting the link into their browser.

The problem arises when users here click a link; the receiving site stores details of the "referring" site, which is urban75.net; the admins there look at their logs and see whence they're being visited; and they send the goons over (virtually or otherwise).

Referrer logs can be interested. The site for the j18 demo could have made a fucking fortune out of... car ads. Most visitors on the day were from Shearson Lehman, the Bank of England, Chemical Bank, Mammon Industries Or so I am reliably informed.

 

[Soul On Ice]

It' generally OK to post the link so long as you "break" it - introducing a space after the "www." for example will stop the board software making it a clickable link.

There is no problem (for urban75) with people pasting the link into their browser.

The problem arises when users here click a link; the receiving site stores details of the "referring" site, which is urban75.net; the admins there look at their logs and see whence they're being visited; and they send the goons over (virtually or otherwise).

Referrer logs can be interested. The site for the j18 demo could have made a fucking fortune out of... car ads. Most visitors on the day were from Shearson Lehman, the Bank of England, Chemical Bank, Mammon Industries Or so I am reliably informed.

Thanks for that - I shall follow your advice

 

[CharlieMuffin]

He appears to be suggesting that inbreeding results in stupidity, and it is scientific fact that inbreeding can result in cretinism.

Sadly this does seem to be a problem for some elements ofthe Islamic community

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/11/16/ncous16.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/11/16/

 

[ViolentPanda]

Sadly this does seem to be a problem for some elements ofthe Islamic community

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/11/16/ncous16.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/11/16/

It's a problem for any community that is insular, so why you feel the need to single out elements of the Muslim community rather than, for example elements of the Jewish community or the notoriously inbred denizens of rural north Norfolk or south Lincolnshire, all of whom manifest to some degree medical problems related to inbreeding, is beyond me.

 

[JHE]

It's a problem for any community that is insular, so why you feel the need to single out elements of the Muslim community rather than, for example elements of the Jewish community or the notoriously inbred denizens of rural north Norfolk or south Lincolnshire, all of whom manifest to some degree medical problems related to inbreeding, is beyond me.

Interesting, but not entirely convincing.

By ''elements of the Jewish community" I guess you mean those strange Hassidic types around Stamford Hill. I have never heard that they are very inbred, and doubt very much that they go in for loads of marriage between 1st cousins, but I can't think who else you might mean.

I know it is often said that the people of Norfolk (and you add the people of south Lincolnshire) are inbred and am willing to believe there is some truth in it, but I have never read anything that claims anything like the level of inbreeding that exists among Pakistanis.

Informative links dealing with the inbreeding of either of those two groups would be very welcome.

Talk of 'inbreds' and the use of similar terms is quite often used on U75 as an insult directed at people from Norfolk or other parts of England. (As far as I know, you are not one of the people who do that.) It has often occurred to me that the people who do that would object, and probably scream Ray Cyst, if the inbreeding among Pakistanis were used to denigrate Pakistanis. I guess that's CharlieMuffin's impression too.

(There are, of course, two sides to the argument about whether marrying one's 1st cousin is a good idea or not. One side points out the risks of inbreeding: there is an increased chance of congenital disorders. The other side talks about social and familial cohesion and (more or less) protests that nobody has any right to criticise another kulcha. The pro side's response to the point about congenital disorders is to say that, although the risk is increased, the risk remains low.)

 

[CharlieMuffin]

Talk of 'inbreds' and the use of similar terms is quite often used on U75 as an insult directed at people from Norfolk or other parts of England. (As far as I know, you are not one of the people who do that.) It has often occurred to me that the people who do that would object, and probably scream Ray Cyst, if the inbreeding among Pakistanis were used to denigrate Pakistanis. I guess that's CharlieMuffin's impression too.

Very much the case.

I would also point out that I do quite a bit of work with children with special needs and it began to slowly dawn on me that a peculiarly high number of the client group were of Pakistani origin. So if I am 'singling them out' I have a reason to and i fail to see the implied logic that my post would have been more acceptable if I had talked about 'inbreeding jews' of whatever.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

It's a problem for any community that is insular, so why you feel the need to single out elements of the Muslim community rather than, for example elements of the Jewish community or the notoriously inbred denizens of rural north Norfolk or south Lincolnshire, all of whom manifest to some degree medical problems related to inbreeding, is beyond me.

Or even Tilbury. A place where the situation regarding intergenerational and intra familial relationships are so worrying that the council set up a women and girls unit to try to alleviate the problem buy showing young women that there is an 'outside' to the community.

This insular attitude coupled with the problem that in some cases heritage of potential partners may not be known and someone could end up shagging someone and having children in a consanguinous relationship.

 

[123bpm]

No he doesn't.
He appears to be suggesting that inbreeding results in stupidity, and it is scientific fact that inbreeding can result in cretinism.

In this case it appears that racism is in the eye of the beholder.

Still, judging people on what you think is in their genes has a hint of the 1930s about it.

Perhaps if people attacked the BNP's actions and policies, rather than accusing them of being in-bred, you might a better result.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Still, judging people on what you think is in their genes has a hint of the 1930s about it.

Perhaps if people attacked the BNP's actions and policies, rather than accusing them of being in-bred, you might a better result.

I can see your point but it can't be denied that there are some pretty thick people supporting the bnp and they tend to come from areas that are more than usually close I can see the corrolation.

Although I agree that the bnp's policies should be attacked it is ironic that a party that sets itself up as some form of master race promoters is supported by people who may have wonky genes themselves. Look at the one testicled Austrian he was hardly 'aryan' was he.

 

[123bpm]

Although I agree that the bnp's policies should be attacked it is ironic that a party that sets itself up as some form of master race promoters is supported by people who may have wonky genes themselves. Look at the one testicled Austrian he was hardly 'aryan' was he.

Perhaps the answer is that we should force these Nazis to undertake some genetic tests, and if we find "wonky genes" then we should sterilise them.

Oh, hang on....

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PS I am the offspring of first cousins from Lincolnshire.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Interesting, but not entirely convincing.

By ''elements of the Jewish community" I guess you mean those strange Hassidic types around Stamford Hill. I have never heard that they are very inbred, and doubt very much that they go in for loads of marriage between 1st cousins, but I can't think who else you might mean.

Then, with respect (and I'm sure you know exactly what THAT means!) you don't know what you're talking about.
Up until about 5 years ago (when a very "in your face" education programme was put in place) the orthodox community in Britain manifested a very high incidence of Tay-Sachs syndrome and other severe medical problems directly related to "inbreeding", a direct result of "loads of marriage between 1st cousins" and the reason that the rabbinate has set up a computerised genetic database and offers pre-marital genetic counselling to betrothed couples.

I know it is often said that the people of Norfolk (and you add the people of south Lincolnshire) are inbred and am willing to believe there is some truth in it, but I have never read anything that claims anything like the level of inbreeding that exists among Pakistanis.

Some Pakistanis.
The point is that rural situations, combined with ignorance, clannish practices and religion, have meant that in the past in parts of the UK, as well as in every other country where the social situation is or has been mirrored, inbreeding occurs. It's a fact of life endlessly catalogued by anthropologists, with its' results often meaning that an "incest taboo" is enshrined.

Informative links dealing with the inbreeding of either of those two groups would be very welcome.

Then google away to your hearts' content.

Talk of 'inbreds' and the use of similar terms is quite often used on U75 as an insult directed at people from Norfolk or other parts of England. (As far as I know, you are not one of the people who do that.) It has often occurred to me that the people who do that would object, and probably scream Ray Cyst, if the inbreeding among Pakistanis were used to denigrate Pakistanis. I guess that's CharlieMuffin's impression too.

I often take the piss out of people from Norfolk for being inbred. One line of my paternal family are "sons of the sod" and can be traced as having lived in the same 5 square miles of north Norfolk for the last 450 years, and a "cadet" branch of the family in south Lincolnshire for 250. Both family trees have fewer branches than one would expect, a position mirrored in most long-term settled rural communities.

(There are, of course, two sides to the argument about whether marrying one's 1st cousin is a good idea or not. One side points out the risks of inbreeding: there is an increased chance of congenital disorders. The other side talks about social and familial cohesion and (more or less) protests that nobody has any right to criticise another kulcha. The pro side's response to the point about congenital disorders is to say that, although the risk is increased, the risk remains low.)

The point is that across one or two generations the risk is small, across a century or more worth of generations disorders become dominant. What promotes social cohesion when indulged in occasionally promotes social decay when it's prevalence places a burden of care on the family that increases with every generation.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

the notoriously inbred denizens of rural north Norfolk

I was in rural north Norfolk a couple of weeks ago and on one morning we had to drop off a couple of kids at a nursey.

I swear every child there had exactly the same hair and eyes. It was like suddenly being in The Midwich Cuckoos.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Very much the case.

I would also point out that I do quite a bit of work with children with special needs and it began to slowly dawn on me that a peculiarly high number of the client group were of Pakistani origin. So if I am 'singling them out' I have a reason to and i fail to see the implied logic that my post would have been more acceptable if I had talked about 'inbreeding jews' of whatever.

Then what you fail to see is that you're ascribing a problem to a particular community, rather than emphasising that what you're seeing is a single manifestation of a problem that occurs in many communities.

As it is, it might appear to some people that you're talking about something that is only (in your own words) "a problem for some elements ofthe Islamic community" .

 

[bluestreak]

has there been deleted posts on this thread or is everyone so used to the same bickering that a lot of stuff isnt even posted anymore.