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More bollocks from Miliband!!

I only half heard Milliband's speech - he sounded so much like Blair - even had the start of his pauses ... I had to remind myself that Brown was PM.. ... or was it the new illiberal leader of the libdems ?

Yeah but check this photo out of Milliband - whoa there, if that was an attempt to emulate a Blair grin then its sadly misguided, he looks like a cross between Rick Mayall and a muppet:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7630532.stm

And as for the story, lol I wish the media always reported everything journalists overheard. Heseltine moment indeed.
 
Hang on, you live in a land of sheeple, and herdsmen. You've made *that* clear if nothing else. The thing is, you haven't actually said anything beyond that. All we have now is this teenage lashing out. Put some meat on this sheeple stuff - say something.

People (mostly sheeple) vote Labour happily then vote Tory happily when they get fed up then eventually Labour again, because they are right wing in outlook, your left positions expounded all over this web site (if you can't remember what they are do a search on yourself) are out of touch with all but a marginal few. This will not change.

You know very well what I am saying though.
 
That's the meat? Do people watch TV too? And eat their tea?

What do you do that's so unsheeple like? What did you do to break the shackles and what does it mean? How do you recognise a free man?
 
I've been arguing that the left has lost for 7 years on here. You've got a sharp for detail haven't you?

That i've not turned into some people-hating sheeple-spouting twat is yest another example of why you have lost it and i haven't.
 
I've been arguing that the left has lost for 7 years on here. You've got a sharp for detail haven't you?

That i've not turned into some people-hating sheeple-spouting twat is yest another example of why you have lost it and i haven't.

It doesn't matter what you have been arguing or whether you are a sheeple. You don't matter - the games over - that is what I am saying - the left has lost permanently.
 
It doesn't matter what anyone argues except me. (Esp if they're saying the same thing as me but i'm too thick to know it)

Off you go then. Kill yourself, join the facsists, whatever dissapointed lazy thick types do. Bye.
 
It doesn't matter what anyone argues except me. (Esp if they're saying the same thing as me but i'm too thick to know it)

Off you go then. Kill yourself, join the facsists, whatever dissapointed lazy thick types do. Bye.

I see. If one doesn't agree with Butchers they are clearly a fascist, who should kill themselves, because they are lazy thick types.

That's fucking insightful
 
The depth of historical understanding when placed against that of the sheeple is truly astonishing. Did you ever hear of a place called europe?
 
You two have no realistic alternative to all this shit, and even if you did no one would be listening. Politics in Britain is destined to be a Labour - Tory merry go round for ever.

You two need to take a reality pill.

So, what was the purpose of your interjection? Did you really object to me pointing out that nobody should be surprised that New Labour in many ways went further than the Tories?

You say that elections yield governments branded Tory-Labour-Tory-Labour-Tory. That’s broadly correct, but what do you want us to do with that information?

You’ve known me long enough to know my position on electoral politics: that we shouldn’t await deliverance by politicians, but should strive to improve conditions through direct action.

That’s the blunt tool, but we also need an understanding of the conditions within which we seek to use it. Again, you’ve known my rantings long enough to know my opinion here, too: in the terms of the current discussion, that is that the post War welfare state consensus began to be overturned in the late 70s (when Labour were the government). This happened because the position of the working class was weakened by rising unemployment.

The 80s were the battlefield where the new consensus was finally asserted, and since then we’ve had the electoral choice between two neo-liberal parties of government.

None of this is startling or new. It is, however, my view.

We can’t overturn the post Thatcher consensus if we don’t know what it is. If we don’t understand where the weakness of our class position comes from. (It isn’t currently high unemployment, for example).

I’ve said in another thread that a social democratic electoral option won’t realistically be available to us in the current conditions, as it was post War. In my view, then, effort expended in that direction is expended largely in vain.

What is your analysis, Exo? What is your prescription for action?

Or did you just want to demonstrate your bilious incontinence? Well, we know; your spleen continues to seep. You have my sympathy.
 
So, what was the purpose of your interjection? Did you really object to me pointing out that nobody should be surprised that New Labour in many ways went further than the Tories?

You say that elections yield governments branded Tory-Labour-Tory-Labour-Tory. That’s broadly correct, but what do you want us to do with that information?

You’ve known me long enough to know my position on electoral politics: that we shouldn’t await deliverance by politicians, but should strive to improve conditions through direct action.

That’s the blunt tool, but we also need an understanding of the conditions within which we seek to use it. Again, you’ve known my rantings long enough to know my opinion here, too: in the terms of the current discussion, that is that the post War welfare state consensus began to be overturned in the late 70s (when Labour were the government). This happened because the position of the working class was weakened by rising unemployment.

The 80s were the battlefield where the new consensus was finally asserted, and since then we’ve had the electoral choice between two neo-liberal parties of government.

None of this is startling or new. It is, however, my view.

We can’t overturn the post Thatcher consensus if we don’t know what it is. If we don’t understand where the weakness of our class position comes from. (It isn’t currently high unemployment, for example).

I’ve said in another thread that a social democratic electoral option won’t realistically be available to us in the current conditions, as it was post War. In my view, then, effort expended in that direction is expended largely in vain.

What is your analysis, Exo? What is your prescription for action?

Or did you just want to demonstrate your bilious incontinence? Well, we know; your spleen continues to seep. You have my sympathy.

You can do nothing with the information, there is no prescription.

It has nothing to do with bile and seepage. Just truth. The propaganda monsters are immortal. Those of us who haven't quite been put out yet by the sleeping gas of information domination, can only contemplate the failure.
 
You can do nothing with the information, there is no prescription.

It has nothing to do with bile and seepage. Just truth. The propaganda monsters are immortal. Those of us who haven't quite been put out yet by the sleeping gas of information domination, can only contemplate the failure.
Does this mean anything?

Is it: "Abandon hope all ye who enter"?
 
He's rather undermining his own idea that there's no difference between labour and tory by this hysterical reaction to a possible tory win isn't he?
 
More tag teams
You quoted both of us, so if you don't want to talk to both of us, can you please nominate one, and we can negotiate by PM.

I'm sure we can manage this, although our opinions differ on some things. Perhaps we could have a rota?

Please advise.
 
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