Mohammedan Activist Funds Hiterite Irving

[david dissadent]

I don't speak about "ignoring" I said it is *impossible*. Suppose you created a table = you made it. Can that table insult you or do you find that idea laughable?

Chairs are not sentient beings with free will.

 

[weltweit]

as a supporter of David Irving, the controversial historian who for years denied the Holocaust took place.​

The thing about Irving's denial is that he started doing when there were still lots of living people who had seen the concentration camps with their own eyes. If he had started doing it in 200 years time when living and handed down memories were fewer he might have had more of a chance with his crazy ideas.

I think it was a good thing Austria did when they threw the book at him.​

 

[Dhimmi]

Yes, funny that, given that it's recognised as an insulting term for them on that basis, you might almost think that it was intended to be such here.

It is? I thought it was more an antique term used in books like "Travels in the Interior of Africa" (1799) and "The Journal of a Mission to the Interior of Africa" (1815) by Mungo Parks.

 

[david dissadent]

It is? I thought it was more an antique term used in books like "Travels in the Interior of Africa" (1799) and "The Journal of a Mission to the Interior of Africa" (1815) by Mungo Parks.

The History of Western Philosophy (1945) by Russel uses it and that is probibly the most widely ready book on philosophy in the English language.

 

[Dhimmi]

Hmmm so not that antique then...

 

[laptop]

Hmmm so not that antique then...

But, as of last year, officially "vintage".

And definitely within the tradition of history-as-justification-for-Western-imperialism. That's the problem with it.

 

[Dhimmi]

But, as of last year, officially "vintage".
And definitely within the tradition of history-as-justification-for-Western-imperialism. That's the problem with it.

Okay thanks for the clarification.
Have to add that I don't think Parks' books fall into that category really, but feel free to prove me wrong.
Livingstone's do though, particularly some of the wildly unrealistic visions he had for some of the places he explored, such as agriculture in unsuitable areas, commerce in places with no half decent route in or out, and of course Christianity for the locals.

 

[Aldebaran]

Chairs are not sentient beings with free will.

I said a table , merely an example to explain in a way the enormous distance between creator and creation which only exists because the creator exists and decided that the creation came into existence.

salaam.

 

[Wilf]

I find this a little disingenuous (from the Grauniad Report):

."I don't feel I have done anything wrong, to be honest. At the time I was of the belief he [Irving] was anti-Zionist, being smeared for nothing more then being anti-Zionist.

The idea that, in the year 2000, anyone with a tv, newspaper or even t'internet could genuinely regard irving as merely 'anti-zionist' is laughable.

 

[JHE]

The idea that, in the year 2000, anyone with a tv, newspaper or even t'internet could genuinely regard irving as merely 'anti-zionist' is laughable.

Of course. It's utter bullshit. I hope no one, except Panda, imagines this is just the bullshit of one strange individual.

MPAC is backing Asghar Bukhari, claiming that he had no idea what Irving had claimed. Utterly incredible! See the MPAC site.

MPAC is not an obscure bunch of nuts, but one of the groups vying to be the accepted spikesperson for Muslims in Britain. MPAC is quite adept, too.


(MPAC is run by Asghar Bukhari & his brother Zulfi Bukhari, but has many supporters.)

 

[William of Walworth]

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Corrected, I hope

ETA : Dammit!!

 

[rhys gethin]

The thing about Irving's denial is that he started doing when there were still lots of living people who had seen the concentration camps with their own eyes. If he had started doing it in 200 years time when living and handed down memories were fewer he might have had more of a chance with his crazy ideas.

I think it was a good thing Austria did when they threw the book at him.

I'm sorry to see posters on here in favour of supressing arguments with prison for daring to express them. Such things always leave me wondering if there mightn't perhaps be something in whatever nonsense it might be after all, since they want to suppress it. Do we really need a new version of the Inquisition? ARGUE with the buggers, I say!

 

[Idris2002]

I have to agree with Rhys. My grandfather read a few of Irving's books . . . but he also read a book called The Nazi Doctors. And after the Berlin wall fell, he went around telling people 'the Germans mustn't be allowed to reunite'.

 

[ViolentPanda]

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Thank you, Lord.

 

[ViolentPanda]

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My eyes, my eyes!!