Modern U.S TV-style democracy is a big threat to freedom and liberty

[Aldebaran]

Mate, in my view, most of the western world, and perhaps i should say the anglo western world, have very little idea of the damage the US have done to peoples and our world. They used to live under the illusion that the US were a force for good for our planet, all the while watching the same country butchering various populations in order to bring them peace (sic).

Not in the "Western World" I know of, which is mainly mainland Europe. Sounds very strange to me that anyone would think about the USA as you say they do.

When finally the likes of american and british and australian people in large enough numbers find out what US foreign policy really does, maybe it all might to change for the better.

I don't think so. Only if it affects them personally people are possibly cultivating a begin of an interest in what is done to far-away people they have no clue about. On condition such time-consuming, brain-stressing effort adds to their own profit.

salaam.

 

[fela fan]

Not in the "Western World" I know of, which is mainly mainland Europe. Sounds very strange to me that anyone would think about the USA as you say they do.




I don't think so. Only if it affects them personally people are possibly cultivating a begin of an interest in what is done to far-away people they have no clue about. On condition such time-consuming, brain-stressing effort adds to their own profit.

salaam.

I don't share this analysis of western people. I live in thailand and when the huge tsunami occurred a couple of years ago the british were massive in their giving of money to help all the victims. What i found most interesting is that people show great compassion to those suffering from natural disasters, while the same reaction is missing based on man-made disasters! By man-made ones i of course mean wars.

So it's not really about the kind of people that anglo-western people are, rather just about priorities and understanding of world event. And this is of course where the tv comes in doing its job in supporting the butchery of the US and UK by sanitising their reporting of the war, and being in general a propaganda mouthpiece for those running the countries.

The people, at heart, have compassion, it's just that they also have ignorance about the role that the US and UK exercise on the world stage.

Which brings us neatly back to the thrust of the thread re the tv being a threat to freedom. To world freedom in my mind.

 

[Aldebaran]

I don't share this analysis of western people. I live in thailand and when the huge tsunami occurred a couple of years ago the british were massive in their giving of money to help all the victims.

This mainly because:
a) Westerners were among the victims which made it "real" and brought the message home that such disasters kill indiscriminately.
b) Media coverage was massive enough (and long enough sustained) to even reach those who normally have no clue about what goes on in the world outside their own familiar homes and walls.

The people, at heart, have compassion, it's just that they also have ignorance about the role that the US and UK exercise on the world stage.

It is common knowledge that something fundamental is lacking in the US education system when it comes to "Wotrld History" and "World Knowledge" in general.
I cannot believe the same to be the case in the UK.

Which brings us neatly back to the thrust of the thread re the tv being a threat to freedom. To world freedom in my mind.

It is in my opinion more a case of forming a fundamental threat to the freedom of the mind.

salaam.

 

[Darios]

New executive order signed ostensibly for the "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq". N.B. reading the legalese I'm unclear if this applies to U.S. citizens, if it does it looks like yet another piece of legislation astonishingly open to abuse.

Meanwhile, a member of congress, on the Homeland Security Committee no less, is denied access to "the classified portion of a White House plan for operating the government after a terrorist attack."

Not sure how trustworthy this source is, however Russian news site Novosti quotes Paul Craig Roberts, a former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury as saying:

"The administration figures themselves and prominent Republican propagandists ... are preparing us for another 9/11 event or series of events,"

and

"You have to count on the fact that if al Qaeda is not going to do it, it is going to be orchestrated."



I've emailed him to confirm these comments, on the off chance he might actually respond.

 

[Aldebaran]

In my view it is high time the Chinese start selling their enormous $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ assets and the world starts to trade with exclusion of the US dollar.

salaam.

 

[Backatcha Bandit]

quotes Paul Craig Roberts, a former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury as saying:

"The administration figures themselves and prominent Republican propagandists ... are preparing us for another 9/11 event or series of events,"

and

"You have to count on the fact that if al Qaeda is not going to do it, it is going to be orchestrated."

I've had similar things from similar people blipping up on the radar with alarming frequency lately, e.g.

Someone I know attended a talk which Homeland Security Head Michael Chertoff gave today at the University of Southern California on port and supply-chain security and public infrastructure protection.

My contact reported to me today by email that Chertoff spoke about more "gut feelings" that he (Chertoff) has about a simultaneous Los Angeles / San Francisco dirty bomb attack that "our enemy is surely planning".

http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2007/07/chertoff-predicts-simultaneous-lasan.html

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In my view it is high time the Chinese start selling their enormous $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ assets and the world starts to trade with exclusion of the US dollar.

I was under the impression that this was already well underway.

Who's Afraid Of China?

Ruthie Ackerman, 07.17.07, 4:50 PM ET

As Britain, oil exporting countries, Canada, Hong Kong and Singapore buy American stocks and bonds at a record pace, China has begun selling its massive holdings of U.S. Treasuries, putting pressure on the dollar...

..Is this a long-term Chinese plan?

“Right now, one month is just a fluke," said Lien. "Two months becomes a little bit more noticeable in terms of the trend. After three months it becomes the trend," she added. “Either they’re putting that money into other currencies like the euro or they’re moving it back home. Either way it’s not positive for the dollar,” Lien said.

http://www.forbes.com/markets/econo...china-markets-equity-cx_ra_0717markets34.html

 

[Aldebaran]

I noticed it some months ago, but I think they are far from selling off a substantial amount of it.

salaam.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Well yes, in terms of foreign policy, it's not even Pepsi or Coke anymore, it's Coke or Diet Coke. But the UK has been no different in the Blair era. .

The point being put forward was that the presidents are becoming as similar/different as coke and diet coke.

How can it be the same during the 'blair era'? He's only one PM.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

In my view it is high time the Chinese start selling their enormous $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ assets and the world starts to trade with exclusion of the US dollar.

salaam.

Then you too can buy all those crap chinese products.

 

[Backatcha Bandit]

Then you too can buy all those crap chinese products.

Not 'you too'.

It's 'you instead'.