Mobile phone queries: an idiot asks some simple questions

[maes]

Donna it seems like your phone doesn't have bluetooth so it's not that relavent - for future reference it's a way to transfer data phone to phone or phone to PC or a few other ways, over a short distance. Useful for numbers and photos, also free.

 

[zed66]

Re: Using phone abroad:

Phone customer services to confirm your account is set up for roaming. When abroad you will normally pay any difference between the cost of a call to your mobile in UK and international call to Spain (the principle being that anyone dialling your phone in UK just dials ordinary 07 number and has no way of knowing you are abroad so just just pays UK-UK charges).Divert all your voice calls to your answerphone while still in UK coverage to avoid these charges.

You will still receive an answerphone spool to advise you somebody has left a message, you can then decide if you want to pay for call back to the UK to pick up any messages.If you decide to do this make sure you set up a pin number on your answerphone service whilst still in the UK or you won't be able to dial UK to pick up voicemail.

European networks operate on two frequency ranges- 900Mhz and 1800Mhz.All modern phones are "Dual Band" (some are 3/4 band) wich means they will work with a network on either frequency.To pick up a network when abroad practise using the network selection option on the phone. Choose manual selection and phone will look for all available networks.

Be aware that using mobile abroad is horrendously expensive.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Most phones will work in Spain and your Nokia 6020 certainly will though it would depend on your contract if you can actually make calls. Usually, it will also cost you to receive calls as well as make them. If you are spending lots of time there go and buy a local Pay-As-You-Go SIM card. It will be compatible with your phone and will save money.

It wasn't whether the phone would work that I was asking - I meant the SIM card. However, since you mention it - I'd assumed any phone would work anywhere, is that not right?

Basically the idea is to get a contract with local Spanish Vodaphone, since that's who my girlfirend is with. Can I just do that and use my own Nokia phone? (If people are wondering why I don't know this, it's because I've only ever had one contract with one mobile phone company before: for all the five years I've had a mobile. Things used to be like that, y'know...)

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Re: Using phone abroad:

Phone customer services to confirm your account is set up for roaming. When abroad you will normally pay any difference between the cost of a call to your mobile in UK and international call to Spain (the principle being that anyone dialling your phone in UK just dials ordinary 07 number and has no way of knowing you are abroad so just just pays UK-UK charges).Divert all your voice calls to your answerphone while still in UK coverage to avoid these charges.

You will still receive an answerphone spool to advise you somebody has left a message, you can then decide if you want to pay for call back to the UK to pick up any messages.If you decide to do this make sure you set up a pin number on your answerphone service whilst still in the UK or you won't be able to dial UK to pick up voicemail.

European networks operate on two frequency ranges- 900Mhz and 1800Mhz.All modern phones are "Dual Band" (some are 3/4 band) wich means they will work with a network on either frequency.To pick up a network when abroad practise using the network selection option on the phone. Choose manual selection and phone will look for all available networks.

Be aware that using mobile abroad is horrendously expensive.

None of this seems to apply: I'm changing to a local Spanish account, as I say above. (I'm going permanently, if that didn't come across.)

 

[zed66]

It wasn't whether the phone would work that I was asking - I meant the SIM card. However, since you mention it - I'd assumed any phone would work anywhere, is that not right?

Basically the idea is to get a contract with local Spanish Vodaphone, since that's who my girlfirend is with. Can I just do that and use my own Nokia phone? (If people are wondering why I don't know this, it's because I've only ever had one contract with one mobile phone company before: for all the five years I've had a mobile. Things used to be like that, y'know...)

Your phone may be locked.It is possible at the point of manufacture to lock a phone to a certain network so that SIM cards from other networks will not work in your phone. Try putting a SIM from a differnt network in your phone and if you get "SIM Card Not Accepted" on the screen then the phoned is locked to your network.

To unlock the phone you have to enter two codes which are generated by an algorithm based on the IMEI (International Mobile Equipment Identity) of the phone. This is the serial you will see on a label underneath the battery or you can find by pressing *#06# into the phone.Given your stated familiarity with mobiles I would recommend taking phone to high street shop which will unlock phone for about £10 if this is the case.

Edit:Just seen the bit about moving to Spain permanently...you lucky lucky bastard!

 

[Donna Ferentes]

I'd hope not, not when I'm only four weeks into "Teach Yourself Spanish in Six Weeks".

 

[jæd]

It wasn't whether the phone would work that I was asking - I meant the SIM card. However, since you mention it - I'd assumed any phone would work anywhere, is that not right?

Your phone appears to be tri-band. So it will work anywhere apart from Japan. (They have their own system)

Basically the idea is to get a contract with local Spanish Vodaphone, since that's who my girlfirend is with. Can I just do that and use my own Nokia phone?

Yes... All phones (except again for Japan) are built to the same standards. A Spanish SIM will fit into your English phone.

 

[jæd]

Your phone may be locked.It is possible at the point of manufacture to lock a phone to a certain network so that SIM cards from other networks will not work in your phone. Try putting a SIM from a differnt network in your phone and if you get "SIM Card Not Accepted" on the screen then the phoned is locked to your network.

Yes... Double check this before you go...!

 

[zed66]

Yes... All phones (except again for Japan) are built to the same standards. A Spanish SIM will fit into your English phone.

It may physically fit in the phone but if there is a subsidy or network lock on the phone it ain't gonna work.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Yes... Double check this before you go...!

1. Probably a dim question but how do I do this, not having loads of SIM cards about? Do I borrow one from a friend, provided they don't object?

2. In a way it doesn't matter because if it needs to be unlocked, then it needs to be unlocked and I'll just have to shell out. No?

 

[Addy]

http://www.trycktill.com/eng/
will let you generate a network unlock code for DCT3 and 4 phones

using a UK sim abroad will be costly compared to buying a pay as you go Spanish sim
you can get 1 off ebay for a few euro's

 

[zed66]

1. Probably a dim question but how do I do this, not having loads of SIM cards about? Do I borrow one from a friend, provided they don't object?

2. In a way it doesn't matter because if it needs to be unlocked, then it needs to be unlocked and I'll just have to shell out. No?

1)Try a SIM card from any network different to your current network. Your SIM card contains a number called an IMSI (International Mobile Subscriber Identity). This is what the network uses to identify you. The number begins with three digits which identify your country (MCC-Mobile Country Code) and two digits which identify the network (Network code), If your phone is locked it will only allow SIM cards with the same MCC.NC to opertae in your phoen. I you put a different SIM in a locked handset you will get a "SIM Not Accepted" error.

2:yes, about £10 from a high street shop, otr if you know somebody who knows what they're doing, free (loads of unlocking programs on internet).

 

[jæd]

1. Probably a dim question but how do I do this, not having loads of SIM cards about? Do I borrow one from a friend, provided they don't object?

Yes... I think this would be the only way...

 

[zed66]

http://www.trycktill.com/eng/
will let you generate a network unlock code for DCT3 and 4 phones

using a UK sim abroad will be costly compared to buying a pay as you go Spanish sim
you can get 1 off ebay for a few euro's

Problem is if you don't know what you're doing and get the code(s) wrong 5 times in a row you will ot be able to unlock phone remotely, and need to connect it to a PC running Wintesla or similar to clear and unlock.

 

[Addy]

It is quite simple if you know

• your phone make and model
• your IMEI
• your registered network provider
• you read the instructions on the website

 

[mauvais]

whoops, didn't see the last lot of messages - ignore at your leisure

AFAIK, only numbers and SMS (maybe MMS too) messages can be stored on a SIM card. Unless the spec upgraded recently, which is possible but unlikely, they don't have the ability to store anything else.

This means photos, multimedia etc stay on the phone.

My phone stores SMS messages in the phone memory instead of on the SIM. However it detects when you replace the SIM with a different one, and deletes the messages from memory, for privacy/security reasons.

My phone also stores phone numbers in the phone memory. Most new phones seem to, but this is optional. The only safe way to test it is by swapping the SIM over and trying it.

It's also possible that if changing network, your phone will have to be unlocked.

To be fair to Addy, and please don't take offence, it doesn't come across like you're really trying to understand this and solve the problem yourself. Yes, there's jargon, but it's easy enough for someone who's never seen a phone before to work out for themselves.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

I never did work out what an SMS message was.

 

[Addy]

To be fair to Addy, and please don't take offence, it doesn't come across like you're really trying to understand this and solve the problem yourself. Yes, there's jargon, but it's easy enough for someone who's never seen a phone before to work out for themselves.

I never did work out what an SMS message was.

Exactly !

You could of at least acknowleged my appology Mr Ferentes, or are you unsure how to read PM's .. or even gave thanks to my help on this thread (or did i not help at all?)

Well, I withdraw it anyways... you are very small minded.

I wish you well with your move.

 

[jæd]

I never did work out what an SMS message was.

This does smack of overy Kea-eqsue trolling... If Donna is an educated as we are led to believe then how hard is put this into Google...?

A SMS Message is a text message, as any fool know.

(Kea trolled the Editor (and others) in the tech forum by asking very basic questions on mobile wireless gadgets...)

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Exactly !

You could of at least acknowleged my appology Mr Ferentes, or are you unsure how to read PM's .. or even gave thanks to my help on this thread (or did i not help at all?)

Well, I withdraw it anyways... you are very small minded.

Don't make me laugh. You came onto this thread and slagged me off without the slightest reason and that makes me small-minded? You pompous ass. An apology was the least you could do.

Moreover, it might surprise you, but having been away over the weekend, and this being my last day before leaving the country, I have actually got better things to do than respond to my PMs. Even those from you, which naturally I prioritise uber alles.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

This does smack of overy Kea-eqsue trolling... If Donna is an educated as we are led to believe then how hard is put this into Google...?

Don't be bloody stupid, son.

Even if I had more time (Which I do not - see previous posting) you don't actually find out everything you want as quick as you like just by invoking Google.

Naturally there's no shortage of internet-bred kids (and overgrown kids) who think otherwise, which helps explain (a) why they don't know remotely as much as they think they know (b) why there are occasionally threads on the education forum on which the academics on Urban75 complain about students who think that they can find out anything simply by looking at Google.

Before you talk about education, jaed, be careful that you're not merely exposing your own ignorance. There are many things I do not know much about, and mobile phones are among them - but if you want to talk about knowledge and education then I can guarantee you, as I said to Addy before, that mine will stretch a great deal further than yours. You want to think about that before, in your ignorance, you accuse somebody else of trolling merely because they are short of knowledge in the one area where you are not.

 

[rubbershoes]

fantastic

a spat in a mobile phone thread

vive l'internet

 

[jæd]

Don't be bloody stupid, son.

Even if I had more time (Which I do not - see previous posting) you don't actually find out everything you want as quick as you like just by invoking Google.

Naturally there's no shortage of internet-bred kids (and overgrown kids) who think otherwise, which helps explain (a) why they don't know remotely as much as they think they know (b) why there are occasionally threads on the education forum on which the academics on Urban75 complain about students who think that they can find out anything simply by looking at Google.

Before you talk about education, jaed, be careful that you're not merely exposing your own ignorance. There are many things I do not know much about, and mobile phones are among them - but if you want to talk about knowledge and education then I can guarantee you, as I said to Addy before, that mine will stretch a great deal further than yours. You want to think about that before, in your ignorance, you accuse somebody else of trolling merely because they are short of knowledge in the one area where you are not.

For someone one with so little time you do seem to have enough to write such long replies to me and Addy...! For someone who seems to want to indulge in a "I'm more edukated than u" pissing contest you do manage to not understood my post where I state why you could be trolling people. And why are you taking this all so personally...?

Oh, and when you are in Spain, you might want to actually be nice to people who have helped you.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

It's not unheard of for techy types to be objectionable about other people who do not know as much as about techy gadgets as they do, or even to assume that people must know about these things because "everybody does" (i.e. everybody they know). Naturally, aforesaid techy types don't possess the social skills to realise how obnoxious this makes them, nor do they pause to consider how little they know about fields which are less familiar to them (or how little they would like to be accused of trolling if they were to admit how little they know). Then again, on the whole they're too small-minded to value any knowledge outside their little sphere anyway, so how would they miss what they do not have?

 

[Donna Ferentes]

For someone who seems to want to indulge in a "I'm more edukated than u" pissing contest

No, son, that was you. You're the one who made someone's lack of knowledge an issue by suggesting they were making it up.

you do manage to not understood my post where I state why you could be trolling people. And why are you taking this all so personally...?

Because you've accused somebody of trolling without the slighest justification, and that's a deeply objectionable thing to do.

If you don't want to be held to account for your accusations, don't make 'em.

Oh, and when you are in Spain, you might want to actually be nice to people who have helped you.

Oh, take a look at yourself son. You like to sling it around and then you can't understand why people aren't "nice" to you.

 

[jæd]

It's not unheard of for techy types to be objectionable about other people who do not know as much as about techy gadgets as they do, or even to assume that people must know about these things because "everybody does" (i.e. everybody they know). Naturally, aforesaid techy types don't possess the social skills to realise how obnoxious this makes them, nor do they pause to consider how little they know about fields which are less familiar to them (or how little they would like to be accused of trolling if they were to admit how little they know). Then again, on the whole they're too small-minded to value any knowledge outside their little sphere anyway, so how would they miss what they do not have?

Donna has a go at techy types who might have social skills. Ho-hum. Pot, kettle, black...?

 

[jæd]

Because you've accused somebody of trolling without the slighest justification, and that's a deeply objectionable thing to do.

Ho-hum... Go and read the post carefully and find out why I was wondering if this was all wind up...

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Donna has a go at techy types who might have social skills. Ho-hum. Pot, kettle, black...?

You're the one who's been busy with the accusations. But you don't much like getting it back, do you?

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Ho-hum... Go and read the post carefully and find out why I was wondering if this was all wind up...

No, bullshit. If you accuse somebody of trolling you can expect a response. Do you expect people to say "thankyou" for it? You actually don't have any good reason for it other than the assumption that if somebody doesn't know this stuff, they must be trolling. What ignorance on your part.

 

[Addy]

If you click on menu
then on contacts
then on copy
sim to phone
your phone numbers are now stored on your phone.
your photos will only be stored on your phone as your sim card does not contain enough storage space to contain photo's
make sure that your phone is unlocked to your new network provider
insert your new sim
copy contacts to sim if necessary

user guide

Excellent. How do I know when it's done?(I ask because it said 68 contacts copied but then appeared to go back to the original bit saying (Copy at top of page)

One by one
All

You still have not thanked me for my help......I think that makes you small minded.

when do you leave?