Minority Report

[Pickman's model]

So any way, in 2054, I'll be 82. Will I be allowed a jet pack???

just a 6 pack.

 

[Strawman]

ok film, not a patch on the short story though. And colin whatshisname has a face I just want to punch.

 

[mk12]

I am quite fond of this film: very clever idea, good story, good acting, good twist etc etc...

 

[Sir Belchalot]

Total Recall plays on the is it just dreams or reality? thing too

As does a large amount of the mighty Dick's work. He had a brilliant imagination & wrote some great noveis & stories.

 

[In Bloom]

Well that problem goes for the whole concept of 'precog': event X that has not yet taken place somehow "causing" actions and events that predates it (ie all the pre-crime cops running around in 'response') - actions and events which potentially impact on event X itself. If event X is prevented then how could it have caused the actions that led to it being prevented? It's the same kind of paradox as caused by going back in a time machine and killing yourself - ie how can you go back if you don't exist?

I think the basic presumption is that if you can see the future, you can change it, i.e., the precogs see what would happen if they didn't intervene. The film was still crap though. Tom fucking Cruise, for fucks fucking sake.

 

[mk12]

I think the basic presumption is that if you can see the future, you can change it, i.e., the precogs see what would happen if they didn't intervene. The film was still crap though. Tom fucking Cruise, for fucks fucking sake.

Why was it crap?

 

[Kid_Eternity]

i didn't think it was that great

I thought it was shit but then it is a Spielbug/Cruise flick so there you go...

 

[Kid_Eternity]

Why was it crap?

Tom Cruise was in it for a start.

 

[october_lost]

I think the plot wasnt easy to follow and the acting wasnt amazing, but it had enough in it to keep you watching till the end.

 

[In Bloom]

Why was it crap?

Awful, awful acting, a stupid tacked on happy ending and the unbearable smugness of Tom Cruise.

 

[october_lost]

Im not sure it did have a happy ending, didnt it just revolve around the finishing of pre-cog?

 

[In Bloom]

Im not sure it did have a happy ending, didnt it just revolve around the finishing of pre-cog?

Yes, but the film emphasised that pre-crime was a Bad Thing. Without even the slightest element of nuance or uncertainty.

 

[Good Intentions]

The film was crap because it was predictable and shallow in it's twists, entirely uninvolving - the hero was never in any danger, despite the well-natured hijinks of his precog pals, the slums he escaped to was as threatening as the Buckingham Palace garden shed at night, the paranoia extended no further than allowing for product placement (the assinine Gap gag with the implanted eyeballs) and I fucking HATE product placement. I want product placers to die. And the end is in horrible bad faith - "don't upset the watchers, dear, that'll put them off buying our Spring Spermsucker jeans".

It was a bad Indiana Jones ripoff with Hot Topic instead of leather. It was shit.

 

[Ryazan]

Spoil sport.

 

[october_lost]

Yes, but the film emphasised that pre-crime was a Bad Thing. Without even the slightest element of nuance or uncertainty.

One could see it as a critique of the way the state relates to crime, seeing it as determined rather than something which arises from a particular environment.

What I want to know is, if pre-crime doesnt work, does that mean all the other arrestees will be freed?

 

[mk12]

They hadn't killed anybody, after all...

 

[Mrs Bradley]

Well that was quite good, wasn't it? I'd not seen it before. :

Er no, sorry darling - it was a pile of ole bollocks actually!

Bring back ET

 

[In Bloom]

One could see it as a critique of the way the state relates to crime, seeing it as determined rather than something which arises from a particular environment.

What I want to know is, if pre-crime doesnt work, does that mean all the other arrestees will be freed?

IIRC, it does actually say at the end of the film that they were all released with a full pardon and apology from the city of Chicago, but that police "kept a close eye" on some of them for years to come.

 

[Good Intentions]

IIRC, it does actually say at the end of the film that they were all released with a full pardon and apology from the city of Chicago, but that police "kept a close eye" on some of them for years to come.

 

[Jayshat]

The weirdo playing the organ at the prison speaks to himself as he places Cruise with is Halo into, I don't know, storage. As he goes, he says "they say your life flashes before your eyes, all your dreams come true".

I didn't hear that bit obviously, but I reckon it was left open ended for 'discussion' purposes...who knows. Okay film though.

Total Recall was far superior to MR..cracking film, even if it does star the Austrian plank himself.

Tom Cruise is not a bad actor, he's just not likeable really...