Ministers lose terror law appeal
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Is Urban75 really reduced to this sort of sub-BNP, simplistic, pathetic, offensive bollocks?JHE said:
Or do we all trust the media to give us a run down of how it could effect us?
FridgeMagnet
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Er, yes. "Voluntary" resettlement of "undesirables"? What's going on here?
Azrael23 said:
I printed out and read the previous one.
After a while, it just got funny. I'd quote a passage to people at work, and they'd look at me like I was making it up. "There's no way ... can't be". Then I'd hand them the relevant stanza of the Act. Then it became "Oh, but they'd never use those powers for evil..."
Someone using the term 'Mozzy' is the least of anyones concern.
Let us pay attention to what the Muslims think and say of us, because what they say about British people is not a very picture at all.
Not to mention what they actually do to us, such as mass murder and terrorism, Muslims have a tonne of things to do before they even get one fraction of my respect for them.
But I know that is not going to happen, living in peace with non-Muslims is not part of their plan for Europe and Britain.
rich! said:
I can tell these types after about 10 minutes. I just inform them that their childrens/grandchildrens future is at serious risk and they need to buy a backbone off ebay.
I was going through the patriot act the other week in IR and I read out section 802 of the provisional (its in the actual leg. as well as the expanded version passed) which states any action which violates a federal law is terrorism and there were still people in the class who thought the act was a good thing.... "it keeps americans safe, it means they can arrest terrorists".... As if before the act terrorism was somehow legal lmao I guess you can`t blame people for their brainwashing.
Plato1983 said:
What the fuck are you on? Half my friends are asian, mostly sikhs and muslims...some african muslims as well. Who the fuck do you think you are? How about I show you how dangerous white wiccans are to ignorant fucks like you. I`ll make muslim extremists (what 1% of the muslim community?) look like mini-muffins and milk....cunt.
How can you lump a few billion people together as if they`re all the same? Your as bad as the MI6 hired sidique khan telling us we elected tony blair in a democratic election and therefore we`re all to blame for Iraq.
I truly despise people as pathetic as you, its not the muslim communities fault that you lack the mental faculties to realise that simply because OUR security services pay a bunch of patsies to carry some bags through the underground that it suddenly means all muslims are surrounded by an aura of evil...imbued with a crazed hatred of anyone with low melanin levels..... idiot.
What a comical post, with friends like you, who needs the Islamic enemy?
And you must be suffering from some form of delusional paranoia to even entertain the insane suggestion that you mentioned, that all Islamic terrorists are the invention of the security services.
Yes, it is so obvious, MI5 were the real culprits behind 7/7, not hate filled Islamic lunatics.
Open your eyes to the real world and wake up boy!
If they do acts of violence, then the death penalty for them I say.
Copeland (the 1999 nailbomber) should be at a firing squad, not the 5 star hotels we call prisons.
However, outside of the Islamic extremist network, Fascists tend to be the less violent out of the anarchists, who are borderline terrorists.
FridgeMagnet
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The terrible thing is that there are real people who believe this stuff, who will spout the most appalling bigoted horseshit about how Muslims are terrorists who want to kill us all and then, incredibly, turn around and say how Muslims will have to "earn their respect".
Plato1983 said:
Actually, you'll find that anyone engaged in a political act outside the confines of a political party is a terrorist. Unless they're an agent of the state (Terrorism Act 2000)
And I'd like to remind you that the fascists and their sympathisers have killed and tortured a *whole lot* more people than anarchists have.
But there are many in the Islamic world who they themselves speak of their own desire to kill all non-Muslims, the more moderate ones speak of our enslavement at their hands.
Instead of politically correct liberal poppycock, why not actually pay attention to what is happening in the real world and not the liberal fantasy of the mess that Britain is today.
Ignorance is a vile trait, I for one hope that ignorance soon goes so as not to cloud your judgement.
FridgeMagnet
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Not to mention the gall to call other people ignorant. I mean, how much more utterly divorced from reality can the statement in bold get? Even FOX News would balk at that. (Well, okay, they probably wouldn't, but they might get a "liberal" in to say "oh no, most Muslims just want to make us all have beards and chadors and stop us dancing, not actually enslave us as such". Balance.)Plato1983 said:
I would suggest that your ignorance of what most moslems want is similar to your ignorance of tabacco.Plato1983 said:
So you believe that not even one Muslim calls for the deaths of non-Muslims or their enslavement?
I can give you many websites to prove otherwise and qoutes that prove otherwise. Or just read the selected speeches andwritings of Usama bin Laden or even Al Zarqawi (AZ however spent more time killing 'impure' Muslims than he did non-Muslims).
Out of all the religions, Islam has the most well organised, most deadly and most largest community of theocrats and extremists.
But I will give some credit to Islam:
Islam was formed 600 years after Christianity, so it will most likely be centuries before we see a process similar to the Enlightenment in the Islamic world, but until that time, Islam will be in conflict with it's percieved enemies.
My own solution to that is a global truce based not on mutual respect and peace but based on a firm division of the Islamic world and the non-Muslim world.
I would actually allow and even help Al Qaida take over every Muslim nation, from Morocco to Indonesia, from Croatia to Somalia, from Khazakistan to Pakistan, and let them establish a unified pan-national Islamic Empire, a rebirth of the former Islamic Caliphate that was dissolved in 1924.
I would support the total and complete withdrawl of all foreign troops, military and security services, of all non-Muslim companies, of all non-Muslims from such a unified Islamic State.
They can keep their oil, build their nuclear weapons, build their armies and can implement Islamic Law upon their own people without a single word of judgement from the West.
In return for such a truce and a toleration of a unified Islamic State within the realm of the historic lands and nations of the Islamic world, I would only demand that in return, such a Islamic State would take back every single Muslim resident outside of the Muslim world, that the 5 million Muslims of France, the millions living in Britain and other nations go back to their ancesteral homelands.
That upon such a return of the Muslim polulations outside the Islamic world, that all trade, diplomatic, political, military and aid contacts be severed between the Islamic State and the rest of the world.
That the Mediterranean Sea be a natural border between Europe and the Islamic State, by which our warships patrol and ensure that the division between our two worlds is secure. That out skies be patroled by our fighter jets, that our land borders be secure with huge walls and security fences.
In short, a new cold war is what I think is best. A reconstruction of a Berlin Wall type division, where our two worlds do not have to agree with each other or even support each other, but with our ICBMs aimed at each others cities, we can at least live in a cold peace, just as communism and the West used to do, tolerate each other but not understand each other, for that is not yet possible.
Give me a cold peace anyday to the hot war we now have.
No my friend, just damm cynical and realistic, and to be realistic in todays world, cynicism in the first qualification you need.
What was objectionable to my own idea for the problems that plague us and the Muslim world?
The USSR and the USA had the same solution to what I now propose, and it saved mankind from a nuclear holocaust.
Pakistan has the nuclear bomb and it's only a matter of time before other like Iran do, so the very sensible principles of MAD are in both the interests of the Islamic world and the West.
No one can force our two sides to love or understand each other, for such a real peace to come about will only be done by our own willpower, and given the Islamic world has yet to have it's Enlightenment, we will have to wait some time for that.
In the meantime, us staying out of the affairs of the Islamic world, in return for them not attacking us and trying to take over our nations and societies, is the only realistic solution we have at our disposal.
That is exactly what my idea was about!
Living on this planet without wiping each other out. But if we live in their share of the planet or vice versa, that is where the problems start.
Living with each other does not equal a toleration of each others values or a trust in them. I have no problems with Islamic clerics speaking of the moral degeneracy of Western societies, provided they don't harm us and speak their sermons in their own nations and not in the mosques of Britain.
My idea did not at any point make a case for war or killing each other, far from it. What I proposed is the only acceptable solution to both parties, for we both could make some basic agreements to prevent us from sliding into WW3.
I have no problem with communities that come from abroad, but upon arrival, make efforts to intergrate into British culture and work hard, appreciate the great spirit of welcome and generosity that the British state and it's people bestow upon new arrivals.
I admire Hindus and the Sikhs and the Blacks, for they don't go around urging for forgeign ways to be imposed upon British society and they don't attack us.
bluestreak
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Plato1983 said:
quoted for posterity.
Plato1983, What you don't seem to be able to understand is that a person's faith is not dependent on their origin or their race.
It all takes us back to the original point of this thread - how do you determine who is a danger to this country and how do you minimise that danger without ruining the country in the process.
It all takes us back to the original point of this thread - how do you determine who is a danger to this country and how do you minimise that danger without ruining the country in the process.
Streathamite
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you ignorant TWAT!!!!!Plato1983 said:
just for the record, a follower of Islam is just the same as you or I; a thinking, living, sentient INDIVIDUAL!!!!
Got that? yup - an individual. i know that's way too long a word for your moronic little brain to take in, but do try.
it means - get this - they have individual opinions.
SOME muslims - those on the fringes - subscribe to the extremist rantings of hamza, but most reject this utterly.
The spearatist, supremacist rantings of the likes of OBl are totally rejected by mainstream muslim opinion. However, all that i have met feel an entirely justified bitterness over Israel.
judging the whole of the muslim community on those outpourings is like judging all brought up in the xtian faith on the collected works of Ian paisley and the "god hates fags" brigade. The majority of muslims in this country are integrated modern Britons (including my revoltingly on-message nu labour MP).
as you'd know, if you weren't such an ignorant, racist turd.
E2A: if you actually had a clue what you were on about, you'd know that jihadist propaganda is essentially defensive; they call muslims to fight back against the zionist-crusader invasion of muslim lands i.e. the Middle East.
given that Us imperial designs on the M/East are so fucking obvious - why should this make THAT view dangerous? After all, if the 7/7 mob were being sincere, they were motivated by anger at a war which has killed far, far more than 52 people, and which makes us, Britain, look as bad as we possibly can.
Azrael
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This is pure Blair-speak.detective-boy said:
Claiming that a suspect's rights "conflict" with public safety is the argument beloved by banana dictators the world over. It's a balance between state power and individual liberty; destroying due-process does not make us safer. Trial determines if these men really are a threat, and if there's insufficient evidence, the overwhelming likelihood is that they're not. Destroying their lives on the off-chance they "might" do something turns Britain into a Minority Report hell where people become permanent suspects, and by entertaining the fantasy of total-safety, it ensures any threat from the suspects vanishes before government tyranny as surely as a candle held against the sun. Left unchecked the state will do more harm than any single terrorist. In the past we died for liberty; now we think if liberty dies we won't have to. When did we become such cowards?
"Those who would trade liberty for security will loose both, and deserve neither."
On utilitarian grounds alone, if these men really are as dangerous as is claimed, control orders are a joke. We're supposed believe 14 hours-a-day house arrest is sufficient protection against terrorist murderers? Horseshit. It's like saying the residents of the old people's homes of England would have been safe if Harold Shipman was kept in his house during visiting hours.
It's pure face saving from the government, because the moment these men are set at liberty and nothing happens, the Home Office become the one thing worse than despots -- blundering despots.
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