Mike Tyson, greatest fighter that ever lived!

[Numbers]

MMA is now and always will be boring, graceless shit that appeals generally to the most ignorant and bloodthirsty element of the boxing fan base.

Whilst not sharing the same sentiments exactly, I kind of agree. I love boxings purity.

But I wouldn't mind seeing a few of what are conidered brilliant fights in MMA.

 

[100% masahiko]

What's a good advert for UFC then? I watched Rampage v Griffin today.

Past or present?

Alot of the UFC stuff is censored on youtube
I suppose the recent UFC 100 is worth downloading.

Oh I found this for you.

Classics

http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_Tyson_Griffin_vs_Clay_Guida_UFC_72?vid=10001353

http://mixedmartialartvideos.com/georges-st-pierre-vs-bj-penn-2-video-ufc-94/

Also - this is an old Pride fight - I think it's a great example of MMA in general. Henderson vs Wanderlei.

http://www.myvideofight.com/Pride/Pride-33-Wanderlei-Silva-vs-Dan-Henderson

 

[internetstalker]

Henderson vs Wanderlei.

WOW!

I bet that was some fight!

 

[100% masahiko]

WOW!

I bet that was some fight!

You not seen?

OUCH!!!

In case you not seen then, Wanderlei vs Rampage!!


ETA - I forget how great Wanderlei is sometimes.

 

[internetstalker]

You not seen?

OUCH!!!

In case you not seen then, Wanderlei vs Rampage!!

Cheers

I'll watch them when I get home

2 cracking fights Im certain

 

[Numbers]

Nice one. Shall give them a lookin tomorrow. Am watching the Holyfield v Bowe trilogy tonight with Mrs Numbers

 

[internetstalker]

Nice one. Shall give them a lookin tomorrow. Am watching the Holyfield v Bowe trilogy tonight with Mrs Numbers

Mrs Numbers is

I can only wish to watch a boxing match with Mrs Stalker, let alone 3!

 

[100% masahiko]

One more excellent example to add. It's a fight between Forrest Griffin and Anderson Silva (considered to be one of the greatest). It's only short - runs under 3mins.

http://www.mmashare.com/anderson-silva-vs-forrest-griffin---fight-video-ufc-101-t8743.html

 

[Fruitloop]

Ouch - that Henderson/Bisping knockout. Front kick dummy, and that right - followed by a flying hammerfist!!



I can't stop watching it. For all those weeks Bisping was taking the piss out of Henderson - and to have thought Henderson was bottling it all up. Lol!!!

The thing about Lesnar - I do understand why he's disliked. He would make the UFC comical and it may turn into a circus. Yes. He fought well against Frank. He's a good fighter. Shame he's a totally different weight to Rampage.

Why the fuck are both of his hands hanging by his sides? What good are they doing there?

 

[Bakunin]

Why the fuck are both of his hands hanging by his sides? What good are they doing there?

Judging by the way he ended up spark out on the canvas, very little.

 

[Numbers]

One more excellent example to add. It's a fight between Forrest Griffin and Anderson Silva (considered to be one of the greatest). It's only short - runs under 3mins.

http://www.mmashare.com/anderson-silva-vs-forrest-griffin---fight-video-ufc-101-t8743.html

Hmmmm... pure boxing skills got Silva that victory, yet he'd have been taken apart by an elite boxer at his weight, I believe from that I seen. Say a RJJ or something.

Take 3 minutes of a boxing Middleweigt fight, e.g the Hagler v Hearns 1st round, and MMA looks school ground in comparison.

Look at a 3 minute round of hundreds of fights at every weight, and it kicks that into touch.

imo anyway. MMA is boring in comparison to boxing.

 

[Red O]

MMA is now and always will be boring, graceless shit that appeals generally to the most ignorant and bloodthirsty element of the boxing fan base.

This.

 

[Meltingpot]

No mention of Chris Eubank yet.

Yes the man is an utter cock but thats part of the genius. His fights drew massive viewing figures compared with normal. Why? Well because he was the boxer people really wanted to see beat. No one wanted to miss the day he was finally beat. As he won time and time again that just grew and grew.

Eubanks v Watson fight was one of the best fights I'd ever seen. If it wasn't for the tragic injury of Watson it would have been heralded as one of the greatest fights ever but the injury took the shine off all the glory of Eubanks coming back from behind to win.

Eubank IMO wasn't much of a boxer. What he could do well was absorb punches, he was difficult to beat.

I agree that he was also good at getting people to dislike him so they'd want to see him get beat - that was his shtick as a businessman.

Lennox Lewis IMO will be regarded kindly by boxing historians. He was a very good if not great heavyweight who did much to restore the sport's reputation.

Ali? Maybe the best heavyweight as a boxer, but IMO he was a great man who sacrificed five years of his career, probably what would have been his best five, rather than co-operate with his country over Vietnam.

He's supposed to have said that "no Vietcong ever called me nigger."

Sugar Ray Robinson is generally agreed to have been the best boxer of all time, irrespective of division.

 

[kerb]

is this just for boxers or open to exponents of any form of fighting?

Awesome thread. Can't wait to tuck into some of those videos.

And for my contribution,it's not boxing, but kick boxing, and this guy is brutal.



Apologies for the shit title.

 

[100% masahiko]

Awesome thread. Can't wait to tuck into some of those videos.

And for my contribution,it's not boxing, but kick boxing, and this guy is brutal.



Apologies for the shit title.

Muay Thai huh? That dude is good but didn't Dekkers get there first?

- Sorry for the music - it's 90s Dutch, What do you expect?

On the other side of the world you have Kid Yamamoto - a Muay Thai fighter who went against his dad (dad was a Olympic wrestler for Japan). But Kid is kinda like a hate figure cos of his arrogance. Anyway, he comes from Purebred Tokyo Gym and they're awesome. Here he is:

 

[100% masahiko]

Hmmmm... pure boxing skills got Silva that victory, yet he'd have been taken apart by an elite boxer at his weight, I believe from that I seen. Say a RJJ or something.

Boxing is part of his arsenal and I believe he was a pro-boxer (short record of 1-1) but his strength lies in MMA cos he's a BJJ black belt too (if you notice, he's sincere to all of his opponents. Taps their hands to see if they're ready. Stops to see if they're okay etc).

Pure boxers or pure BJJ guys/wrestlers normally do rubbish in MMA if they know nothing else. Even Marcus Davis, one time pro-boxer with a record of 17-1-2 had to learn other things before entering the octagon.

Take 3 minutes of a boxing Middleweigt fight, e.g the Hagler v Hearns 1st round, and MMA looks school ground in comparison.

Look at a 3 minute round of hundreds of fights at every weight, and it kicks that into touch.

imo anyway. MMA is boring in comparison to boxing.

Hagler is one of my favs from the era but he didn't have to worry about shoots, kicks, flying armbars etc.

MMA and boxing are both great sports. So is Judo, Greco Wrestling, Fresstyle Wrestling, BJJ - man I love em all.

 

[100% masahiko]

What about MMA women fighters? This must have hurt

 

[Fruitloop]

Boxing is part of his arsenal and I believe he was a pro-boxer (short record of 1-1) but his strength lies in MMA cos he's a BJJ black belt too (if you notice, he's sincere to all of his opponents. Taps their hands to see if they're ready. Stops to see if they're okay etc).

Pure boxers or pure BJJ guys/wrestlers normally do rubbish in MMA if they know nothing else. Even Marcus Davis, one time pro-boxer with a record of 17-1-2 had to learn other things before entering the octagon.



Hagler is one of my favs from the era but he didn't have to worry about shoots, kicks, flying armbars etc.

MMA and boxing are both great sports. So is Judo, Greco Wrestling, Fresstyle Wrestling, BJJ - man I love em all.

Interesting you mention Greco - we did that at school, and I thought it was great, never took it any further though. I'm quite a small guy and used to get bashed about a fair bit on the rugby pitch, but I did have a black belt in Judo by that point. Some scores were settled.

 

[Bakunin]

Some scores were settled.

I recommend either the ruck or the maul for settling scores.

My preferred method at school, punches being too obvious, was to simply reach in and have a good, hard yank on the malefactor's knackers while simultaneously twisting and squeezing said knackers as hard as possible.

Always worked well for me.

 

[Fruitloop]

Unfortunately it being NZ, those techniques were already known to everybody pretty much from birth.

 

[Fruitloop]

Love this video incidentally, I just wish the quality was better.

 

[100% masahiko]

Interesting you mention Greco - we did that at school, and I thought it was great, never took it any further though. I'm quite a small guy and used to get bashed about a fair bit on the rugby pitch, but I did have a black belt in Judo by that point. Some scores were settled.

I sparred with some black belt judo guys a couple of weeks back. I have alot of respect for your art (ie - 100% 'Masahiko' is based Judoka Master - Kimura). Judo take downs and pinnings are awesome. It's a shame that the submission element has been erased from your game. But it's still practical.

Short people are not good for greco. We'll better off with freestyle wrestling.

You know what's a big shame? Freestyle/Folk wrestling was a British martial art. It was so practical that Japanese took elements of it to make Judo. Now, we don't even teach it in schools.



To add: Marcelo Garcia. He's a short guy. And I love watching him fight so much that it's inspired me to do submission wrestling - (srry bout the music)