Just boxers., Bruce lee would have whopped Ali in a straight fight
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Just boxers., Bruce lee would have whopped Ali in a straight fight
kained&able
Here for the football.
I reckon he'd have beaten most other fighters though at his best.
kained&able
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Every fighter if your on about ali. best heavey weight fighter ever with my limited klnowlege of the game.
dave
dave
Numbers
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internetstalker
Get naked!
From around 1987 till a bit before the 1st Bruno fight he was the best heavyweight that ever lived.
but never the greatest
that was Ali
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^^^^^^That
For...what? 3 years? Unbeatable. That documentary has wonderful depth.
And then? Don fucking King.
innit
Gromit
International Man of Misery
No mention of Chris Eubank yet.
Yes the man is an utter cock but thats part of the genius. His fights drew massive viewing figures compared with normal. Why? Well because he was the boxer people really wanted to see beat. No one wanted to miss the day he was finally beat. As he won time and time again that just grew and grew.
Eubanks v Watson fight was one of the best fights I'd ever seen. If it wasn't for the tragic injury of Watson it would have been heralded as one of the greatest fights ever but the injury took the shine off all the glory of Eubanks coming back from behind to win.
Yes the man is an utter cock but thats part of the genius. His fights drew massive viewing figures compared with normal. Why? Well because he was the boxer people really wanted to see beat. No one wanted to miss the day he was finally beat. As he won time and time again that just grew and grew.
Eubanks v Watson fight was one of the best fights I'd ever seen. If it wasn't for the tragic injury of Watson it would have been heralded as one of the greatest fights ever but the injury took the shine off all the glory of Eubanks coming back from behind to win.
Benn - McLellan was another like that.
Benn and Eubank were basically dismissed 'across the pond' just cos they were British...
Benn and Eubank were basically dismissed 'across the pond' just cos they were British...
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Gromit
International Man of Misery
you should read thread properly,lol i have been told that so many times
Oh aye. I did a quick search and it didn't come up. Strange? Maybe I mispelt Eubank?
Numbers
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liquidlunch
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The fact that they were the best your country could offer should have let them be sanctioned to fight in the WBF or WBA(why do yanks always consider themselves world class opponents)The world series and all that crap.Noone else plays sport on their scale
Numbers
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This is something you wont see too often, not the best quality 
Ali & Tyson on same chat show.
http://www.livefight.com/index.php/topic,1165.0.html
And this one for the Benn/Eubank fans
Benn vs Eubank: Clash of the Titans
http://www.livefight.com/index.php/topic,911.0.html
Ali & Tyson on same chat show.http://www.livefight.com/index.php/topic,1165.0.html
And this one for the Benn/Eubank fans
Benn vs Eubank: Clash of the Titans
http://www.livefight.com/index.php/topic,911.0.html
Numbers
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100% masahiko
i is a professor and is magical like totoro
This gentleman, a certain Mr Royce Gracie, would have Tyson tapping out in a matter of minutes, I reckon:
Nah Jackson would have messed up Royce and Tyson easy.
100% masahiko
i is a professor and is magical like totoro
As for Tyson, at his prime he probably had as much power as George Foreman.
But the competition in the mid-80s was poor and Tyson shone.
But the competition in the mid-80s was poor and Tyson shone.
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This is something you wont see too often, not the best quality
http://www.livefight.com/index.php/topic,1165.0.html
And this one for the Benn/Eubank fans
Benn vs Eubank: Clash of the Titans
http://www.livefight.com/index.php/topic,911.0.html
that was great numbers,i love ALI
BTW have you ever been in the ring?not being smart arse but i have seen your head
on ugly mugNo, I meant Lewis. I think he'd have lost to ali of course, and probably to a peak Tyson, but I think he'd have beaten most of the others.
What I'm getting at is that Lewis gets very little respect, particularly in the USA where many boxing 'experts' barely even rank him in the top 30 of all time (just heavyweights). It's ridiculous.
Gonna have to sit and watch some of these later
That first fight with Holyfield was one of the biggest stitchups ever...
Americans always dismiss British fighters. Nazeem Hamed was huge over there (he got bigger PPV audiences in the USA than Tyson for some fights) yet (and this really takes the biscuit) yank boxing writers called him 'Yemeni'.
Fucking wankers.
Lennox Lewis - before Lewis/Holyfield, I was reading a US boxing mag and all the pundits said Lewis had no chance, one said he was about the same as Joe Bugnor
D), and would only beat Holyfield if 'father time showed up'. 
Numbers
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Bert Sugar helped devise this list of the best Heavyweights of all time.
Ali
Louis
Dempsey
Johnson
Tunney
Marciano
Charles
Foreman
Frazier
Holmes
He had Holyfield at 11, Tyson at 14 and Lewis at 19
Burt Sugar for anyone who doesn't know is a boxing historian, some say the best, but personally I tend to find myself disagreeing with a lot of his lists.
Johnny Canuck3
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I don't have really strong feelings about him one way or another.
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To add to the mix....
Its all subjective I suppose, though for me..
#1 (Sugar) Ray Robinson 179 wins, 19 losses, 6 draws, 2 no contests, 109 KO
even Ali said he was the greatest ever....
#2 Archie Moore - 181 wins, 24 losses, 9 draws and 1 no contest, 145 KO
No pro has knocked out as many....
#3 Roy Jones Jr - 49 wins, 3 losses, 38 KO
becoming a champion at middleweight all the way up to heavyweight...
he even won a championship fight after playing paid basketball the same day...
with Ali somewhere there abouts too....
Its all subjective I suppose, though for me..
#1 (Sugar) Ray Robinson 179 wins, 19 losses, 6 draws, 2 no contests, 109 KO
even Ali said he was the greatest ever....
#2 Archie Moore - 181 wins, 24 losses, 9 draws and 1 no contest, 145 KO
No pro has knocked out as many....
#3 Roy Jones Jr - 49 wins, 3 losses, 38 KO
becoming a champion at middleweight all the way up to heavyweight...
he even won a championship fight after playing paid basketball the same day...
with Ali somewhere there abouts too....
Johnny Canuck3
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Tyson v Ali - I read about the same as Ali v Frazier.
If they fought 3 times, I think Tyson would have won once. Frazier says Ali has a weakness in that he goes back in a straight line when under attack, which leaves him open to a left hook. That's how Frazier beat him and wouldn't be surprised if Tyson did the same.
Loved watching Tyson in my yoot. Staying up til 3/4/5 in the morning to watch a fight that lasted about 90 seconds.
Am old enough to watch a few of Ali's fights, but he was massively past his best.
I think a closer comparison might be Cassius Clay v Sonny Liston.
Johnny Canuck3
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Lennox Lewis did beat Tyson.
Numbers
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As AKA says, it is all subjective and a debate that will rage forever.
But... give us your top 10 (5 even) fighters of any era (active or not), and why (if you can be arsed)
Mine are
Ali - no words needed, 1st seen him in the Rumble in the Jungle, absolutely love him to bits, an absolute master of the game.
Holmes - Heavyweight champion when I was aware of what boxing was, realy cemented my love for boxing staying up for some of his fights when a boy.
Hearns - I used to be called the Hitman when I boxed and our surnames are similar, the Motor City Cobra was a brilliant flawed machine.
McGuigan - I sparred 1 round with him, + I was there the night in Loftus Rd when he beat Pedroza + cried the night he lost it in the heat of the Vegas desert.
Tyson - goes without say with what he's brought to boxing and the excitement, total fighting machine.
Pacman - current most exciting fighter in the world and brilliant to watch, making DLH and Hatton look as pedestrian as they did was brilliant, and his wars with JMM are yet unfinished.
Hagler - perfect fighting machine, absolutely Marvelous, I know he was beat by SRL etc.. but Marvelous Marvin invented educated pressure.
Barrera - baby faced assasin, loved his wars with El Terrible and loved how he brought Hamed to school, total brilliance.
Jack Johnson - a bold brilliant man/boxer, not seen as much footage of him unlike modern boxers, but the book Unforgivable Blackness utterly moved me
Holyfield - some of the best, and probably the best night of my life have been/happened on the night I also watched some of his fights.
The list could go on and is probably subject to change, but right now.. my fav' 10.
But... give us your top 10 (5 even) fighters of any era (active or not), and why (if you can be arsed)
Mine are
Ali - no words needed, 1st seen him in the Rumble in the Jungle, absolutely love him to bits, an absolute master of the game.
Holmes - Heavyweight champion when I was aware of what boxing was, realy cemented my love for boxing staying up for some of his fights when a boy.
Hearns - I used to be called the Hitman when I boxed and our surnames are similar, the Motor City Cobra was a brilliant flawed machine.
McGuigan - I sparred 1 round with him, + I was there the night in Loftus Rd when he beat Pedroza + cried the night he lost it in the heat of the Vegas desert.
Tyson - goes without say with what he's brought to boxing and the excitement, total fighting machine.
Pacman - current most exciting fighter in the world and brilliant to watch, making DLH and Hatton look as pedestrian as they did was brilliant, and his wars with JMM are yet unfinished.
Hagler - perfect fighting machine, absolutely Marvelous, I know he was beat by SRL etc.. but Marvelous Marvin invented educated pressure.
Barrera - baby faced assasin, loved his wars with El Terrible and loved how he brought Hamed to school, total brilliance.
Jack Johnson - a bold brilliant man/boxer, not seen as much footage of him unlike modern boxers, but the book Unforgivable Blackness utterly moved me
Holyfield - some of the best, and probably the best night of my life have been/happened on the night I also watched some of his fights.
The list could go on and is probably subject to change, but right now.. my fav' 10.
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