Mike Skinner: chav geezer or urban legend?

[dirtysanta]

and your source for that is.. ?

a good friend of mine at Atlantic.

 

[Dubversion]

Adverts are'nt the only way to make money in the music industry. Selling your records is probably the most important, but tying into ads affects your integrity as a supposedly "independent" artist.

selling records is one of the least effective means of making money in the music industry. publishing, merchandising, ads, promotions etc all make more for most artists.

but don't let that stand in the way of your ill-informed rants

 

[butchersapron]

Bucking stale stereotypes? The whole "chav" shit IS a stale stereotype!

As is the independent toiling genius artist in his garret. But you like that one for some reason.

 

[Dubversion]

a good friend of mine at Atlantic.

right...

 

[Dubversion]

Bucking stale stereotypes? The whole "chav" shit IS a stale stereotype!

but one that was tagged onto Skinner, rather than one he's actively sought out.

it's a pathetic tag, mate, and it's barely even a stereotype.

 

[R.I.C.O.]

where does he claim to be independent, in the sense you mean?

you're also damning him for selling out principles and notions of integrity he never claimed to have, which is just ridiculous.

doing ads is a choice. if it suggests hypocrisy before or after, then take him to task by all means. but the whole notion of 'selling out' implies that a stated standpoint/viewpoint/agenda has been betrayed or reneged on. i see no such standpoint in Skinner's case.

I may have just misheard his first album then. Maybe I was expecting more from him. I'm not that dissapointed - I went to a Streets concert in 2002 (when he was good) and thought it was amazing, innovative etc, principles you would'nt associate with someone who ties himself to a commercial brand. However the second album was'nt so great and could hear he was moving away from that. However one of my mates was a huge Streets fan and is gutted - in his opinion Skinner is a fucking R'n'B artist now, who does Reebok adverts.

 

[dirtysanta]

Sell out CUNT.....

im not against artists appearing in commercials. I dont think its selling out. Its not for me to tell anyone how to earn a living. A music career can be over as quickly as it started. you need something to fall back on 10 yrs down the road if your not making records.

 

[milesy]

you can't blame mike skinner for being called a "chav" when all he's ever done is just do his own thing it's other people that have labelled him.

and i don't really hear that much difference in style between the first album and the second to say that he's conciously tried to make the second sound more "commercial".

 

[pootle]

Bucking stale stereotypes? The whole "chav" shit IS a stale stereotype!

In MUSIC I said....not his own personal image. He's been dressing like that for years. Are you saying because lots of people are now dressing in a style similar to him (and he's just following a long line in rooted in the football casuals scene) he should change? Maybe dressing like he does is one of hi principles, the lack of you seem so fond of harping on about.

Oh, and applauding and advocating violence? Very fucking principled.

 

[Dubversion]

thought it was amazing, innovative etc, principles you would'nt associate with someone who ties himself to a commercial brand.

so people who accept commercial sponsorship aren't capable of being amazing or innovative?

fuck me, you're an idiot.

 

[dirtysanta]

right...

WTF does that mean???. you asked how i know and iv told you. I know im not talking shit. Im not in habit of posting up bullshit..but you know that. Anyhow whether you believe it or not is neither here nor there AFAIC, Dub. Besides the evidence speaks for itself, right. Just because you may not agree with me doesnt mean im wrong.

 

[Belushi]

I have both his albums and enjoyed listening to them both at first but they're not the type of thing I can listen to agian and again.

Glad to see someon is representing us chavs tho!

 

[zenie]

*Diamond Geezer*

and 'I would' iykwim

 

[Dubversion]

Besides the evidence speaks for itself, right.

well i disagree. i don't see any notable about-face in style or content between the two albums, just a honing of abilities and higher production values because of a better studio budget. so no, i don't see the evidence speaking for anything of the sort.

 

[Stigmata]

Don't tell anyone, but I heard he isn't even an anarchist. The scandal!

 

[milesy]

well i disagree. i don't see any notable about-face in style or content between the two albums, just a honing of abilities and higher production values because of a better studio budget. so no, i don't see the evidence speaking for anything of the sort.

totally agree. it's hardly like with the second album he's started making over-produced highly-polished slick RnB-lite numbers, it's still got the same feel.

same recipe, better ingredients, that's all.

 

[kyser_soze]

*mutter* could've done with this support last time this topic came up *mutter*

Not too sure of the 'genius' tag for the lyrics, but he's certainly done a better job of capturing the UK male zeitgeist with his songs - and a tune like 'Dry Your Eyes Mate' would have helped me out a few times in my life.

 

[dirtysanta]

Well, on reflection, DS, i do see you're point and must say that I completely agree with you.

*Carlsberg dont do posts. But if they did they'd probably be the best posts in the world*

 

[poet]

He said somewhere that A Grand... was the album he was trying to make the first time round but couldn't. Parts of the second album are every bit as edgy and aggressive as the first - Such a Twat, Get out of My House and so on, but he showed the sensitivity he was developing in tracks like It's Too Late in a much fuller, more emotionally developed way and tied the whole thing together in a coherent, well developed story. Listening to the two one after another you can hear quite clearly this evolution and honing of skills, how the second album is not a radical departure or commercialisation of his sound but OPM V2.0.

 

[pootle]

totally agree. it's hardly like with the second album he's started making over-produced highly-polished slick RnB-lite numbers, it's still got the same feel.

Quite. In fact, I'm not sure why the haters are harshing the second album anyway. If anything, it's less commercial than the first - there's only a couple of proper sing-a-long chart friendly tunes, and it's *almost* a concept album with it's story of how "A Grand Don't Come For Free"

 

[Dubversion]

the haters hate him because
a) it's backlash time
b) he's sold out principles he never said he had (top logic, lads),
c) because they're idiots

 

[R.I.C.O.]

so people who accept commercial sponsorship aren't capable of being amazing or innovative?

fuck me, you're an idiot.

Fall out of the wrong bed this morning?

I fail to find many examples of those who are innovative. And besides, only offering my 2 pence. I fail to see how that makes me "an idiot".

 

[kyser_soze]

Quite. In fact, I'm not sure why the haters are harshing the second album anyway. If anything, it's less commercial than the first - there's only a couple of proper sing-a-long chart friendly tunes, and it's *almost* a concept album with it's story of how "A Grand Don't Come For Free"

It's because he endorses Reebok that the h8rs are out in force I think. Cos hiphop/rnb artists with 'credibilty' have never endorsed or taken greenbacks from brand names...ever.

 

[foo]

He's not proporting to be independent, anti-capitalist or any of the other values you assume must go with being a musician. Other people have different beliefs to you. Live with it, stop being such a bitter fucker.

well fucking said.

 

[Belushi]

I'd love to look through Rico's 'Principled' record collection...

 

[foo]

I'd love to look through Rico's 'Principled' record collection...

he's probably only got the records of Chumbawumba - and possibly a couple of Dylan's....

 

[Dubversion]

Fall out of the wrong bed this morning?

nope, i'm in a great mood thanks

i fail to find many examples of those who are innovative.

you seriously don't think there are many innovative people in receipt of commercial sponsorship?

no artists, sportsmen, film-makers, authors, scientists etc etc etc?

all rubbish if they're receiving sponsorship of any kind?

really?

 

[R.I.C.O.]

Nice to see this has'nt turned into a ganged-up personal spat....

 

[butchersapron]

I'd love to look through Rico's 'Principled' record collection...

I'd start with a few threads in P&P...there's a reason he's seen as a joke in there...but yeah, name a few of the 'artists' you consider to be sufficiently princlipled RICO.

 

[kyser_soze]

Be funny to see him go to see the Cistine Chapel

'I'm not going to look up at one of the most sublime works of art ever cos it represents a selling-out to an opppressive theocratic regime'

*fap fap fap*