Mike Ruddock resigns
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LilMissHissyFit
Disturbed in a pink bra
would I dare do such a thing 
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
Biffo said:
Sounds about right from the WRU.
Best coach in years wants to leave AT THE END OF a ridiculously short contract offered him.So what do they do? Kick him out straight away and risk blowing all good work put in place in those two years!
As for the other point about Ruddock getting too much praise for winning GS. If I recall correctly he was always very forceful in his denial of responsibility at the time going out of his way to state that the real credit was deserved by Hansen and Henry for putting the processes in place!
the fact that he was the only one awarded anything in New Year honours probably pissed him off as much as anyone!
Maybe the players ought to get their heads from out their own arses if that's what it's about.
LilMissHissyFit
Disturbed in a pink bra
Its not
The WRU pay the wages, blame the players then pull the drawbridge up.Literally- even to the point where they cancelled training at sophia today and stayed behind closed doors, the last two press conferences have featured only 'certain' journos and photographers
Players cant actully 'say' alot can they?
The WRU pay the wages, blame the players then pull the drawbridge up.Literally- even to the point where they cancelled training at sophia today and stayed behind closed doors, the last two press conferences have featured only 'certain' journos and photographers
Players cant actully 'say' alot can they?
i think ruddock's probably got some sort of confidentiality clause in his contract which means he's unlikely to say anything. seems a bit rich gareth thomas coming out with some of his good bloke ruddock quotes today if some of the rumours about the disrespect shown to the coach by certain players are true
jannerboyuk
...just kids gone wild.
Well in effect no rumours are needed. Ruddock asked him to talk to the press conference the other day and Thomas told him no. Ruddock was reduced to asking a senior player to replace Thomas and he also said no. This is recorded fact. However you might feel about any individual journalist, embarassing your coach like that appears to have been fatal to how Ruddock felt about his authority with the team. In many ways this is the modern sporting dilemma. Rugby seems unable to deal with the modern reality of assertive non-submissive players whilst still trying to operate within something akin to a 19thc public school set up.nightowl said:
Some middle way needs to be found because i don't think the players are simply going to suddenly become loyal schoolboys with Scott Johnson. They are all mates now but what happens when another dispute arises especially as Johnson is surely going to feel the need to let everyone know who is boss?
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
I have had confirmation of what really went on from one of the main players in the situation and it aint as tasty as first thought. Certainly no Henson connection which will dissapoint some!
can't say too much , but you can blame a certain journo to a degree who came into some information and forced the WRU to amke a decision quickly which if they ahd been given more time they might not have made!
If what I am told is true,and I am 99% ceratin it is, Ruddock comes out of it with nothing but credit for doing the right thing and a lot of others should be ashamed of their actions.
can't say too much , but you can blame a certain journo to a degree who came into some information and forced the WRU to amke a decision quickly which if they ahd been given more time they might not have made!
If what I am told is true,and I am 99% ceratin it is, Ruddock comes out of it with nothing but credit for doing the right thing and a lot of others should be ashamed of their actions.
LilMissHissyFit
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'No henson connection' LOL what a laugh
There IS, there has been for months. no matter what your 'player' source says.
I knew during the autumn internationals of rumbings of discontent from ruddock and the players surrounding henson and their shared dislike of him and of the ghost writer of his book ( who has been noticeably absent from the public face of scrumV since) which was the precursor to much of this discontent amongst the ranks.The 'apologies' he was TOLD to make, he made and made them- badly. he built no bridges with anyone apart from the Ospreys players who had no choice but to swallow their feelings week on week from their club- the rest had the luxury of feeling whatever they wanted- and they did and still do
Ruddocks hands were tied over henson and not one of them will want to admit the henson stuff becuase they dont want to get painted as Petty
There IS, there has been for months. no matter what your 'player' source says.
I knew during the autumn internationals of rumbings of discontent from ruddock and the players surrounding henson and their shared dislike of him and of the ghost writer of his book ( who has been noticeably absent from the public face of scrumV since) which was the precursor to much of this discontent amongst the ranks.The 'apologies' he was TOLD to make, he made and made them- badly. he built no bridges with anyone apart from the Ospreys players who had no choice but to swallow their feelings week on week from their club- the rest had the luxury of feeling whatever they wanted- and they did and still do
Ruddocks hands were tied over henson and not one of them will want to admit the henson stuff becuase they dont want to get painted as Petty
LilMissHissyFit
Disturbed in a pink bra
You used the words main player
So yes that suggests its one of the players in the whole overall situation.
True to form the whole truth will never come out- it never does
So yes that suggests its one of the players in the whole overall situation.
True to form the whole truth will never come out- it never does
jannerboyuk
...just kids gone wild.
Ye gods i would say so. Gareth Thomas has to be commended for coming and making his case but i bet steve lewis was feeling ill. Thomas seemed very likely at one point to smack Eddie Butler in the mouth. Good old Gareth must have missed his media training because he didn't really pursuade. He did admit that at the meeting with steve lewis the players tried to raise concerns about Ruddock non-coaching related role but refused to elaborate and seemed unable to understand that having a meeting with the chief executive and trying to raise criticims might upset ruddock at least to a degree.1927 said:
His real passion, and perhaps the real story, was his response to the credit ruddock deserved for the slam. It wasn't that he was wrong that many people deserve credit for the slam but the passion in which he repeated this point several times. A nerve was definitely hit although presumably ruddock could point to the fact he hasn't received his £20k bonus yet!
Very surreal.
1927
Funnier than he thinks he is.
jannerboyuk said:
I think his constant talk about there was more than one man who won the GS was very telling, and I think that for some reason this really got to the players. After all MR was always keen to state that credit should go to those who came before him and that he had inherited a great team, why the players obviously think he has claimed too much credit I don't know, or am I missing something?
Like you stated he was also at a loss to understand why the fact taht he wanted to bring Ruddocks name up with Steve Lewis might wind up MR. It doe stho prove that SL is a lying get when he said that MR had never been brought up in a meeting with the players!!
LilMissHissyFit
Disturbed in a pink bra
would do welsh rugby a favour.
For too long the excuse that is the WRU have been unprofessionally fucking up welsh rugby
For too long the excuse that is the WRU have been unprofessionally fucking up welsh rugby
jannerboyuk said:
I think Gareth Thomas came out (no pun intended) of that really badly. He went on there to deny player power and succeeded only in leaving no doubt that it exists in abundance. It was like watching a naughty child in the headmaster’s office with two accusing teachers. Very, very embarrassing.
Imagine if the treble-winning Man Utd team of ’99 felt vexed about Alex Ferguson getting knighted on the back of ‘their success’. Beckham going on TV to defend the players because Ferguson had walked out would have been even funnier though.
Obviously the WRU as an organisation is the most culpable here but the players have a hell of a lot to answer for too. This is a case of professional rugby players acting in an unprofessional way. I have absolutely no respect for Gareth Thomas now.
(Also….. the jacket he was wearing costs about £800. He could have got a good one for that).
King Biscuit Time
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You can see GT on Scrum V here if you missed it 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/scrumv/onthebox/interviews/190206_alfie.shtml
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/scrumv/onthebox/interviews/190206_alfie.shtml
Brockway said:
I love the fact that it doesn't mention the heated debate on Scrum V which, if the migraine situation is actually true, would presumably have brought the condition on.
Personally I think he realised (or was told) he came out of the interview badly and decided (or was advised) to go for the ill-health sympathy vote.
He was released from hospital lunch time today..... if he was ever actually in there in the first place.
LilMissHissyFit
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he really doesnt get it that its possible for all those issues to be interlinked. He treated them all in isolation. towards the end he sounded like Catherine Tates creation 'Lauren'
Am I bovvered amI?? did I know that? did I?? 
Am I bovvered amI?? did I know that? did I??
jannerboyuk
...just kids gone wild.
Good god there have been major wars with less hatred, complexities and sub-plots. Now apparently there are plans to call a Emergency General Meeting of the WRU where some people plan to repeat the night of the long knives in 1993 (date?) when the entire WRU exec were thrown out and thats before the outcome of Ruddock's audience with the WRU Board of Directors! I predict a Godfather style event - whilst Ruddock is making his case several assasins will be sent to whack his enemies and he'll have the perfect alibi. Its going to get bloody either way.
I also notice that it was said that the Scrum V presenter (Graham Thomas?) had had his internal BBC investigation and was cleared and would be back presenting Scrum V...but where was he on Sunday night? That would have been even more fun.
I also notice that it was said that the Scrum V presenter (Graham Thomas?) had had his internal BBC investigation and was cleared and would be back presenting Scrum V...but where was he on Sunday night? That would have been even more fun.
LilMissHissyFit
Disturbed in a pink bra
LOL they are keeping that for when they need the viewers 
Sticking my neck out here but Ive always liked Graham Thomas( which i know IRL via hubby), he is a nice guy. I will never understand what posessed him to write shite utter shite though
Sticking my neck out here but Ive always liked Graham Thomas( which i know IRL via hubby), he is a nice guy. I will never understand what posessed him to write shite utter shite though
jannerboyuk
...just kids gone wild.
Hmmm..my super brain took 0.2 nano seconds to come up with the answer..money. He seems ok to me as well. I think the players need to stop this blood sweat and tears bollocks as well when they whine about journalists. They get paid a lot of money to do something they enjoy. Takes a lot of skill and courage to play at their level but they do seem to be going the way of football players. How many people have died on building sitesLilMissHissyFit said:LOL they are keeping that for when they need the viewers
Sticking my neck out here but Ive always liked Graham Thomas( which i know IRL via hubby), he is a nice guy. I will never understand what posessed him to write shite utter shite though
(or work second jobs to make ends meet 1 in 4 workers apparently) for not great money to have to listen to Alfie whine about his broken thumb? I've become a fan of (welsh) rugby exactly because its a more honest and physical game then soccer but if they are all turning into prima donnas then they can stuff it TBH.
