Might AI development be like self driving cars

[Caller]

Basically self driving cars have barely progressed in the last decade.

Will AI be like this in the next decade?

At the moment I still don’t find AI accurate enough to be trusted. Will it still be like this in 10 years time?

Is AI massively overhyped like self driving cars were?

Also just to add to this, Elon Musk is totally wrong if he thinks Tesla can do self driving just with cameras, and no lidar or radar.

 

[8ball]

Basically self driving cars have barely progressed in the last decade.

Will AI be like this in the next decade?

At the moment I still don’t find AI accurate enough to be trusted. Will it still be like this in 10 years time.

Is AI massively overhyped like self driving cars were?

Also just to add to this, Elon Musk is totally wrong if he thinks Tesla can do self driving just with cameras, and no lidar or radar.

AI (generative, at least), has changed a lot in the last 3 years whereas self-driving cars have been 5 years away for a couple of decades.

But this type of “AI” is def overhyped, it’s true.

 

[Caller]

AI (generative, at least), has changed a lot in the last 3 years whereas self-driving cars have been 5 years away for a couple of decades.

But to actually trust generative AI to do tasks, it is not reliable enough, similar to self driving cars?

 

[8ball]

But to actually trust generative AI to do tasks, it is not reliable enough, similar to self driving cars?

What do you mean by “do tasks”?
I wouldn’t have it pick horses to bet on, or give medical advice…

 

[PTK]

AI (generative, at least), has changed a lot in the last 3 years whereas self-driving cars have been 5 years away for a couple of decades.

But this type of “AI” is def overhyped, it’s true.

I thought that there were self-driving cars in the USA.

 

[Caller]

I thought that there were self-driving cars in the USA.

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[8ball]

I thought that there were self-driving cars in the USA.

There are some taxis that can run in a very restricted area and that I definitely wouldnlt be getting into. They are a showpiece, very closely monitored by remote human operators, are limited to slower speed than other traffic, and drive on a specific subsection of roads even within their restricted highly mapped area.

They also tend to get confused and just stop fairly frequently.

There are no fully self-driving cars that you can just jump into and have them drive wherever you like.

 

[PTK]

Surely there is not such a thing as "AI"? Surely there are "AIs" (i.e. there is more than on type).
The AI that would be used for scanning images would not be able to answer any questions that you might put to it.

 

[8ball]

Surely there is not such a thing as "AI"? Surely there are "AIs" (i.e. there is more than on type).
The AI that would be used for scanning images would not be able to answer any questions that you might put to it.

Not sure which post/poster this is addressed at/to.

Aside from the self-driving tangent, discussion seems to have been about
gAI using LLM or another kind of NLP tech.

 

[gentlegreen]

 

[BigTom]

There are some taxis that can run in a very restricted area and that I definitely wouldnlt be getting into. They are a showpiece, very closely monitored by remote human operators, are limited to slower speed than other traffic, and drive on a specific subsection of roads even within their restricted highly mapped area.

They also tend to get confused and just stop fairly frequently.

There are no fully self-driving cars that you can just jump into and have them drive wherever you like.

I think you are too dismissive of Waymo and other similar services. Waymo is in an increasing number of cities in the US and do more rides than Lyft in San Fransisco, they aren't speed limited, Waymo here says they are designed to go a the posted speed limit pointing out how that makes them safer than human drivers who often exceed speed limits, sometimes by silly amounts.

Waymo first went into Phoenix in 2020 - 5 years later and they are in 5 cities with 2 more coming next year and another 10 being looked at.

You're right it's not go-anywhere full self driving but It's far more than a showpiece - these are serious taxi businesses operating in large metropolises, and they didn't exist at all 10 years ago, it's a big development in the past 5 years.

 

[8ball]

I think you are too dismissive of Waymo and other similar services. Waymo is in an increasing number of cities in the US and do more rides than Lyft in San Fransisco, they aren't speed limited, Waymo here says they are designed to go a the posted speed limit pointing out how that makes them safer than human drivers who often exceed speed limits, sometimes by silly amounts.

Waymo first went into Phoenix in 2020 - 5 years later and they are in 5 cities with 2 more coming next year and another 10 being looked at.

You're right it's not go-anywhere full self driving but It's far more than a showpiece - these are serious taxi businesses operating in large metropolises, and they didn't exist at all 10 years ago, it's a big development in the past 5 years.

Fair point about the slowness, that seems to have been worked out, with current complaints being to do with them crawling through car parks at 5 mph (when that is in fact the posted limit).

And they are undoubtedly useful if you are in need of setting a fire that can’t be put out, as demonstrated recently.

 

[weltweit]

All this autonomous cars delay and mistrust is interesting and supports the theory that human drivers with just two eyes are in fact doing something quite remarkable.

 

[Rimbaud]

All this autonomous cars delay and mistrust is interesting and supports the theory that human drivers with just two eyes are in fact doing something quite remarkable.

I always find it strange how normalised driving is, especially when I'm driving at high speed on a motorway on the way to something truly trivial. It is really quite an extreme activity to pilot a lump of metal at high speeds where one slight wrong move can kill you and all your passengers, and it does take quite a lot of training and practise to be truly competent at, yet we see it as something quite trivial. Even walking on a pavement by the side of road past deadly tons of metal roaring past me, sometimes only a few inches away, makes me think how mad and scary it would seem to a time traveller from the 16th Century who was suddenly dropped here.

 

[gentlegreen]

I always find it strange how normalised driving is, especially when I'm driving at high speed on a motorway on the way to something truly trivial. It is really quite an extreme activity to pilot a lump of metal at high speeds where one slight wrong move can kill you and all your passengers, and it does take quite a lot of training and practise to be truly competent at, yet we see it as something quite trivial. Even walking on a pavement by the side of road past deadly tons of metal roaring past me, sometimes only a few inches away, makes me think how mad and scary it would seem to a time traveller from the 16th Century who was suddenly dropped here.

Car sharing always bothered me.
I always worried about carrying passengers.

I "taught myself to drive" in a couple of hours in 1984 by driving around local streets in a Reliant on a MC licence - which itself was easy to get in 1981. I then drove intermittently for 23 years.
I've now had 16 years as "just a cyclist" and am facing having to drive again in the near future and on the wrong side of the road - with only a few years left on my UK licence because of my age.
I'm finding the prospect somewhat daunting.

 

[lazythursday]

I always find it strange how normalised driving is, especially when I'm driving at high speed on a motorway on the way to something truly trivial. It is really quite an extreme activity to pilot a lump of metal at high speeds where one slight wrong move can kill you and all your passengers, and it does take quite a lot of training and practise to be truly competent at, yet we see it as something quite trivial. Even walking on a pavement by the side of road past deadly tons of metal roaring past me, sometimes only a few inches away, makes me think how mad and scary it would seem to a time traveller from the 16th Century who was suddenly dropped here.

Yep. It's really quite an insane activity, that kills and maims a hell of a lot of people, but really it's surprising it's not a lot more. I don't drive personally, and there's nothing I find more terrifying than being driven fast along the motorway next to enormous lorries by some friend who appears barely paying attention utterly oblivious to the actual danger. But I suppose you have to develop that sort of mindset or you wouldn't be able to get behind the wheel.

 

[weltweit]

I always find it strange how normalised driving is, especially when I'm driving at high speed on a motorway on the way to something truly trivial. It is really quite an extreme activity to pilot a lump of metal at high speeds where one slight wrong move can kill you and all your passengers, and it does take quite a lot of training and practise to be truly competent at, yet we see it as something quite trivial. Even walking on a pavement by the side of road past deadly tons of metal roaring past me, sometimes only a few inches away, makes me think how mad and scary it would seem to a time traveller from the 16th Century who was suddenly dropped here.

I agree with a lot of that. Plus the trust we put in other motorists that they are going to stay on their side of the road as we drive towards them.

Because the closing speeds don't bear thinking about. You may only be driving at 40mph, but your closing speed with them is 80mph, not a crash you want to be in!