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August 13th.

Israeli and Lebanese parliaments endorse Resolution 1701. Israel publicises intent to continue attacks on Lebanon until ceasefire on morning of August 14th.
 
Update;

::25 January: Hamas defeats moderate Fatah in Palestinian elections.

10 April: EU severs political contact and suspends direct aid to Palestinian government.

9 June: Hamas calls off 16- month military truce after seven members of a Palestinian family are killed on a Gaza beach by Israel shell. Four days later a family of nine die in Israeli missile strike in Gaza.

25 June: Palestinian militants launch raid into Israel, killing two Israeli soldiers and kidnapping Cpl Gilad Shalit.

29 June: Israel troops, having pushed into Gaza, detain Hamas lawmakers and cabinet members. Air strikes.

12 July: Hizbolla captures two Israeli soldiers and kills eight. Israel calls it 'act of war' and widens Gaza offensive, killing 24 civilians. Air strikes destroy 10 bridges in Lebanon, and hit power stations and a water facility.

13 July: Israel bombs Palestinian Foreign Ministry and Bierut airport. Navy blockades Lebanese ports. The US vetoes condemnation of Israeli attack on Gaza.

14 July: Israel bombs Beirut-Damascus road and Shia suburbs of Bierut: 67 Lebanese civilians dead. Hizbollah launches 130 missiles at Israel, killing at least two civilians. Israeli ship is hit by an explosives- filled drone, four dead.

15 July: In the village of Marwaheen - 500 yards from the Israeli border, an air strike kills up to 13.

16 July- US vetoes call for ceasefire between Israel and Lebanon.

July 26th- Hizb Allah kill 13 Israeli soldiers.

Israeli air strike kills 4 UN observers

July 28th 2006

US President George W Bush again dismisses calls for an immediate truce

July 29th- Israel rejects UN aid truce call

Lebanese death-toll tops 600 as dozens of children are killed by Israeli air strike.
Civilians storm UN.

July 31st
UN Security Council rejects Secretary-General's call for immediate cease-fire

August 1st.

Israel decides to widen ground offensive

August 11th
Israel rejects 72-hour truce proposal.

August 12th
Resolution 1701 agreed, calling for "a full cessation of hostilities"

August 13th.

Israeli and Lebanese parliaments endorse Resolution 1701. Israel publicises intent to continue attacks on Lebanon until ceasefire on morning of August 14th.
 
CyberRose said:
It was my opinion that the Israeli soldier was kidnapped and taken to Gaza by those elements of Hamas that didn't want this compromise with Fatah and wanted to provoke Israel into retaliating in order to ensure that compromise was never reached...
no the kidnapping was in direct response to the kidnapping of two palestinians

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14404.htm

Every published Western "timeline" takes that as the opening event. Yet the day before, Israeli forces kidnapped two Gaza civilians, a doctor and his brother, and sent them to the Israeli prison system where they can join innumerable other Palestinians, many held without charges -- hence kidnapped. Kidnapping of civilians is a far worse crime than capture of soldiers. The Western response was quite revealing: a few casual comments, otherwise silence. The major media did not even bother reporting it. That fact alone demonstrates, with brutal clarity, that there is no moral justification for the sharp escalation of attacks in Gaza or the destruction of Lebanon, and that the Western show of outrage about kidnapping is cynical fraud.
 
moono please add to the time line

24 June: Isreal forces (IDF) Kidnaps Two Palestinian civilians a doctor and his brother leading directly to...

for accuracy so it reads:

::25 January: Hamas defeats moderate Fatah in Palestinian elections.

10 April: EU severs political contact and suspends direct aid to Palestinian government.

9 June: Hamas calls off 16- month military truce after seven members of a Palestinian family are killed on a Gaza beach by Israel shell. Four days later a family of nine die in Israeli missile strike in Gaza.

24 June: Isreal forces (IDF) Kidnaps Two Palestinian civilians a doctor and his brother leading directly to...

25 June: Palestinian militants launch raid into Israel, killing two Israeli soldiers and kidnapping Cpl Gilad Shalit.

29 June: Israel troops, having pushed into Gaza, detain Hamas lawmakers and cabinet members. Air strikes.

12 July: Hizbolla captures two Israeli soldiers and kills eight. Israel calls it 'act of war' and widens Gaza offensive, killing 24 civilians. Air strikes destroy 10 bridges in Lebanon, and hit power stations and a water facility.

13 July: Israel bombs Palestinian Foreign Ministry and Bierut airport. Navy blockades Lebanese ports. The US vetoes condemnation of Israeli attack on Gaza.

14 July: Israel bombs Beirut-Damascus road and Shia suburbs of Bierut: 67 Lebanese civilians dead. Hizbollah launches 130 missiles at Israel, killing at least two civilians. Israeli ship is hit by an explosives- filled drone, four dead.

15 July: In the village of Marwaheen - 500 yards from the Israeli border, an air strike kills up to 13.

16 July- US vetoes call for ceasefire between Israel and Lebanon.

July 26th- Hizb Allah kill 13 Israeli soldiers.

Israeli air strike kills 4 UN observers

July 28th 2006

US President George W Bush again dismisses calls for an immediate truce

July 29th- Israel rejects UN aid truce call

Lebanese death-toll tops 600 as dozens of children are killed by Israeli air strike.
Civilians storm UN.

July 31st
UN Security Council rejects Secretary-General's call for immediate cease-fire

August 1st.

Israel decides to widen ground offensive

August 11th
Israel rejects 72-hour truce proposal.

August 12th
Resolution 1701 agreed, calling for "a full cessation of hostilities"

August 13th.

Israeli and Lebanese parliaments endorse Resolution 1701. Israel publicises intent to continue attacks on Lebanon until ceasefire on morning of August 14th.
 
I can't do that, Garfield, not because I don't agree that it was an important event but because this particular timeline is intended to serve as a foil to those who would attempt to misrepresent events in favour of the Zionists.

Zionist kidnap of Palestinians is commonplace. This event, imo, was not definitive in determining Hamas' actions. They had already decided to end their unilateral ceasefire after the beach shelling, which was internationally condemned.

If there were to be a longer written history then this kidnap should certainly feature, but this particular timeline is for quick reference and for revision when the mass of discussion concerning events tends to cloud the truth.
Elsewhere, for example, Americans are already trying to claim that America did not block, or attempt to block, any moves towards a ceasefire.

Nothing to stop anybody writing a more detailed timeline though.
 
JC2;
But there's no anti-israeli aggression included before July 12...
Post the list of Israeli fatalities and we can try to ascertain why The Guardian didn't think it was relevant.
 
moono said:
I can't do that, Garfield, not because I don't agree that it was an important event but because this particular timeline is intended to serve as a foil to those who would attempt to misrepresent events in favour of the Zionists.

Zionist kidnap of Palestinians is commonplace. This event, imo, was not definitive in determining Hamas' actions. They had already decided to end their unilateral ceasefire after the beach shelling, which was internationally condemned.

If there were to be a longer written history then this kidnap should certainly feature, but this particular timeline is for quick reference and for revision when the mass of discussion concerning events tends to cloud the truth.
Elsewhere, for example, Americans are already trying to claim that America did not block, or attempt to block, any moves towards a ceasefire.

Nothing to stop anybody writing a more detailed timeline though.

hamas have siad the kidnapping of the doctor precipitated the kidnapping of shalit, not including it makes it appear that hamas took the first step to instigate this which is untrue. (espically in light of the operation summer rain claims...)
 
I think that's it pretty much evident, and still fresh in people's minds, that the beach slaughter was too much for anybody to bear. Personally, I think that that is a much stronger image as the precipitator of reprisal than yet another Zionist kidnap.
The beach shelling brought international condemnation. The Zionists have yet to face an inquiry and possible charges.
 
moono said:
I think that's it pretty much evident, and still fresh in people's minds, that the beach slaughter was too much for anybody to bear. Personally, I think that that is a much stronger image as the precipitator of reprisal than yet another Zionist kidnap.
The beach shelling brought international condemnation. The Zionists have yet to face an inquiry and possible charges.
personally i couldn't give a flyign fuck about your OPINION of which is a stronger image the FACT remains Hamas themselves have said this action CAUSED their action.

Regardless of your personal whim the ommsion of it protray's the actions as islotated and at some odd's in terms of time difference, and more specifically what the representative party is saying in terms of their actions...

YOU are playing into the Zionist hands by refusing to acknoledge this; why are YOU seeking to misrepresent the actions of Hamas by YOUR interpretation of events...
 
The timeline must not be biased, or appear petty. There's nothing to prevent you from constructing your own. This is my own extension to The Guardian timeline and I've explained, perhaps three times now, that it's as fair as I can make it. The crucial events are recorded as I see them.

Now , you've had your outburst. Try to make it the last one directed at me.
 
moono said:
The timeline must not be biased, or appear petty. There's nothing to prevent you from constructing your own. This is my own extension to The Guardian timeline and I've explained, perhaps three times now, that it's as fair as I can make it. The crucial events are recorded as I see them.

Now , you've had your outburst. Try to make it the last one directed at me.
ok well at present it is biased the suggestion being made by the time line is that the actions which precipitated the war were taken by hamas in isloation. Which isn't the case. If it is acceptable to include 29 June: Israel troops, having pushed into Gaza, detain Hamas lawmakers and cabinet members. Air strikes.

then it has to be acceptable to include the 24 June as the day before the actions which lead directly as cited by independant sources, to hamas seizing shalit....

That beign the case you shoul dhave the starting point of aggression where it belongs at the start not come into the timeline a day late with no explaination and attempt to paint the situation as it being a reaction to the beach killings which is catigorically was not...

again your opinion counts for nothing in an unbiased time line it's the plain simple facts which apply here.

now you have had your outburst love, do try and face the fact that at current you are doing nothing more than propping up the zionist version of events ie there is no operation summer rain preplanned as an attack on Gaza using the kidnapping as an excuse to bring this forward we are simply attempting to get our solider back whilst patently ignoring the facts that the kidnap of the solider was in reaction and has been admitted as such to the kidnap of a doctor and his brother...

you are the one taking this from being an unbiased and non agendaised account to one which is highly squewed against one party...
 
Well, I disagree. Refusing to accept the result of a fair and democratic election is a terrible indictment for countries applauding their own democracies, that is Israel, the United States and the European Union.

That was the declaration of war. That is the real starting point and emphasising that truth is far more damaging to the enemies of freedom than focussing upon the kidnap of two civilians.

These states can never again criticise the electoral systems, or lack of them, in any other state. Their credibility as 'keepers of the keys' is shot. They spat upon democracy which dared to flourish outside of their control and that's what needs to be remembered, not the lesser details along the way. Imo.
 
moono said:
Well, I disagree. Refusing to accept the result of a fair and democratic election is a terrible indictment for countries applauding their own democracies, that is Israel, the United States and the European Union.

That was the declaration of war. That is the real starting point and emphasising that truth is far more damaging to the enemies of freedom than focussing upon the kidnap of two civilians.

These states can never again criticise the electoral systems, or lack of them, in any other state. Their credibility as 'keepers of the keys' is shot. They spat upon democracy which dared to flourish outside of their control and that's what needs to be remembered, not the lesser details along the way. Imo.
ok granted but you are nto talking about hyperbaly here are you you are directly reffering to the incidents with in gaza around a certian time frame not in isolation tot he entire actions of the rest of the western democraises but in conjunction with them however you started this thread not to provide a time line of those events but to provide a time line which was consistant with the accurate facts of the kiddnapping with in gaza of shalit and the resulting consiquneces.

The beach shelling is significant as this lead directly hamas saying enough no more can you act with impuity we call off the cease fire we have abided by. It was not however significant for the reasons you are attempting to state it didn't precipitate the actions of hamas kidnapping the soilder or as retaliation for that attack. You have painted as thus but it simply isn't the case as hamas have repeatdly stated.

In order to process and pass an unbiased verison of event's you have to accurately relfect what has been said, acitons taken and what is really happening on the ground. Now unless you are with in the military organiseation with in hamas then you have only access to the facts as we do your opinon on and around these facts makes no difference at all to them themselves unless you attempt to force them to conform to your own opinionised version of events at which point it looses it's objectivity and ceases to be unbiased....
 
The timeline started with events listed by The Guardian. I agree with those choices as events which contributed most to the recent war.

The essence of the problem is the moral bankruptcy of western leadership, a leadership given power by a soft-bellied electorate with a blinkered conscience, and the matrix of Zionist control carefully constructed to exploit the Middle East.

Choosing the western hypocrisy of rejection of democracy in Palestine as a starting point for the timeline is accurate and implies a larger picture. Those that want to focus upon lesser incidents, however important in themselves, are unintentionally diluting the truth.
 
But this very bellicose nature is forcing Israel and Palestine down the one state solution, as they are not dedicated to allowing the Palestinians a fair crack of the whip, meaning that eventually they will have to give up their Jewish state of Israel in favour of a united secular state.

Eventually Israel will have to compromise, it is just how long they wish to try being the oppressor for. Could take a bit of time as they seem to have a bit of an axe to grind...
 
moono said:
The timeline started with events listed by The Guardian. I agree with those choices as events which contributed most to the recent war.
but thisi sneither an op piece for the Guardian or subject to your personal whims by supossed to be an accurate timeline of what happened when in the current war in gaza and lebanon it makes no exception for your personal concordance to do so will open it up to bias which as the original piece in the guardian had anyways.

moono said:
The essence of the problem is the moral bankruptcy of western leadership, a leadership given power by a soft-bellied electorate with a blinkered conscience, and the matrix of Zionist control carefully constructed to exploit the Middle East.

Choosing the western hypocrisy of rejection of democracy in Palestine as a starting point for the timeline is accurate and implies a larger picture. Those that want to focus upon lesser incidents, however important in themselves, are unintentionally diluting the truth.

this however has nothign to do with protraying an accurate timeline of cause and effect.

At the moment moono you are acting like an apologist ... why is that, it's so contrary to your usual standpoint...?
 
At the moment moono you are acting like an apologist ... why is that, it's so contrary to your usual standpoint...?

My 'usual standpoint' is derived from fact having shaped my opinion. 'Opinion' doesn't determine my standpoint.

I've tried to keep 'opinion' out of this particular timeline. I would, personally, have included the deprivations experienced in Palestine due to Hamas' political successes and perhaps the fact that the Zionist's killed over eight hundred Palestinians during the time since 2004 when Hamas' unilateral ceasefire began. I might also have included the 8000-plus Zionist shells fired into Gaza as they attempted to push Hamas to breaking point.

However, I left the Guardian list as it was because, frankly, a casual observer, of the kind whom I would like to influence to oppose Zionism, would look at my personal timeline and consider it so shocking that they'd think I made it up.

As it is it is damning and there's no need for overkill. I appreciate your desire to include the kidnappings which occurred prior to Hamas' operation inside Israel but I'm going to leave it out. Hamas' action, imo, was based upon far greater wrongs stretching further back.

Make your own timeline, Garfield, and decide whether it exists as a platform for your rage or as a tool to help prevent further atrocities.
 
Update;

::25 January: Hamas defeats moderate Fatah in Palestinian elections.

10 April: EU severs political contact and suspends direct aid to Palestinian government.

9 June: Hamas calls off 16- month military truce after seven members of a Palestinian family are killed on a Gaza beach by Israel shell. Four days later a family of nine die in Israeli missile strike in Gaza.

25 June: Palestinian militants launch raid into Israel, killing two Israeli soldiers and kidnapping Cpl Gilad Shalit.

29 June: Israel troops, having pushed into Gaza, detain Hamas lawmakers and cabinet members. Air strikes.

12 July: Hizbolla captures two Israeli soldiers and kills eight. Israel calls it 'act of war' and widens Gaza offensive, killing 24 civilians. Air strikes destroy 10 bridges in Lebanon, and hit power stations and a water facility.

13 July: Israel bombs Palestinian Foreign Ministry and Bierut airport. Navy blockades Lebanese ports. The US vetoes condemnation of Israeli attack on Gaza.

14 July: Israel bombs Beirut-Damascus road and Shia suburbs of Bierut: 67 Lebanese civilians dead. Hizbollah launches 130 missiles at Israel, killing at least two civilians. Israeli ship is hit by an explosives- filled drone, four dead.

15 July: In the village of Marwaheen - 500 yards from the Israeli border, an air strike kills up to 13.

16 July- US vetoes call for ceasefire between Israel and Lebanon.

July 26th- Hizb Allah kill 13 Israeli soldiers.

Israeli air strike kills 4 UN observers

July 28th 2006

US President George W Bush again dismisses calls for an immediate truce

July 29th- Israel rejects UN aid truce call

July 29th- Lebanese death-toll tops 600 as dozens of children are killed by Israeli air strike.
Civilians storm UN.

July 31st
UN Security Council rejects Secretary-General's call for immediate cease-fire

August 1st.

Israel decides to widen ground offensive

August 11th
Israel rejects 72-hour truce proposal.

August 12th
Resolution 1701 agreed, calling for "a full cessation of hostilities"

August 13th.

Israeli and Lebanese parliaments endorse Resolution 1701. Israel publicises intent to continue attacks on Lebanon until ceasefire on morning of August 14th.

August 14th
Ceasefire engages.

August 20th
Kofi Annan condemns an Israeli commando raid into Lebanon as a ceasefire breach.
 
moono said:
Make your own timeline, Garfield, and decide whether it exists as a platform for your rage or as a tool to help prevent further atrocities.


and yours does which exactly?

it's a shame you feel the ened ot attempt to damn others for pointing your timeline is flawed becuase the basis for it is flawed (ie inorder to portray isreali action in isolation - something which is a staple of zionist apologists) you misinterpret my words as rage when in fact it's merely incredulity...

more over to suggest that independat verifiable facts could be open to people suggesting it is made up is nonsense.

hamas have said the kidnapping in gaza was as a direct reaction to the kidnappings by isreal to brush over this fact with a simple i think it was something else which brought this on is to ignore the output of the very people you attempt to rally for...

It reminds me of the attitude of the stop the war memebers i observed attmepting to tell lebanese people out side of downing street at a recent demo why they shouldn't protest in that manner. It smacked of partonising we know better than you attidude tbh. and of cousre not to mention had in it's a effect a negation of leigitmate protest by people who are directly suffering as a result of the situation.
 
The election of Hamas was the cause of the war, in Gaza and Lebanon. You should concentrate on the rabbit instead of sniffing the hound's arses.

Your view is not ignored, it is just not crucial to the timeline.

The standard Western version is that the July 2006 invasion was justified by legitimate outrage over capture of two Israeli soldiers at the border. The posture is cynical fraud. The US and Israel, and the West generally, have little objection to capture of soldiers, or even to the far more severe crime of kidnapping civilians (or of course to killing civilians). That had been Israeli practice in Lebanon for many years, and no one ever suggested that Israel should therefore be invaded and largely destroyed. Western cynicism was revealed with even more dramatic clarity as the current upsurge of violence erupted after Palestinian militants captured an Israeli soldier, Gilad Shalit, on June 25. That too elicited huge outrage, and support for Israel's sharp escalation of its murderous assault on Gaza. The scale is reflected in casualties: in June, 36 Palestinian civilians were killed in Gaza; in July, the numbers more than quadrupled to over 170, dozens of them children. The posture of outrage was, again, cynical fraud, as demonstrated dramatically, and conclusively, by the reaction to Israel's kidnapping of two Gaza civilians, the Muamar brothers, one day before, on June 24. They disappeared into Israel's prison system, joining the hundreds of others imprisoned without charge -- hence kidnapped, as are many of those sentenced on dubious charges. There was some brief and dismissive mention of the kidnapping of the Muamar brothers, but no reaction, because such crimes are considered legitimate when carried out by “our side.” The idea that this crime would justify a murderous assault on Israel would have been regarded as a reversion to Nazism

http://www.palestinechronicle.com/story-08250655609.htm

Noam Chomsky: On the US-Israeli Invasion of Lebanon
 
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