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Michel Platini: This man can save English football

kyser_soze said:
So football is exclulsively w/c eh?
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Now, where did I say it was? Care to pint that out for me? Historically football was, anmd still is, part of working class life. The kick off time of Saturday 3pm came into being so that workers did their half day on the Saturday and could go home and change for the football.it was part of working-class life. Football grounds were and still are in the main, built/situated ion working-class communities. They are identified with by local working-class communities. So what part of their role in working-cvlass culture are you refuting or not believing.
Footballs suppotr still comes overwhelmingly from the working-class, how then given this is it not part of working-class culture?
 
This is brilliant! We all post every day about the state of English football and how it's become merely a business controlled at club and league level by rich corporate types whose interest in football ends at the bank statement, and here comes someone very high up in the hierarchy of football echoing our concerns, and how does everyone react!? They tow the corporate line and go on the defensive because he happens to be French and therefore is obviously only saying all this because he's racist against the English! Scudamore et al must be fucking pissing themselves...
 
CyberRose said:
because he happens to be French
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i couldn't care less if he is french. if someone in his position is going to slag off the english game(or any other); the way its run, the money invloved etc etc, then they should follow that up with a solution. its all too easy to just sit and throw stones...
 
CyberRose said:
This is brilliant! We all post every day about the state of English football and how it's become merely a business controlled at club and league level by rich corporate types whose interest in football ends at the bank statement, and here comes someone very high up in the hierarchy of football echoing our concerns, and how does everyone react!? They tow the corporate line and go on the defensive because he happens to be French and therefore is obviously only saying all this because he's racist against the English! Scudamore et al must be fucking pissing themselves...
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Bollocks.

What's Platini saying? What's he going to do? level playing field - great! How is he going to do that? By giving the winners of the FA Cup a golden ticket to the Champions League. lol

This of course will mean less of FA cups like last season. The top four unless they draw each other, will dominate that trophy.

Until someone has concrete plans in place that work, it's hot air.

His argument for Italians just goes to back up the argument that he's anti English.

Would his argument be the same if the English league was replicated in France or Italy - I don't think so.
 
Platini is a bit of a div tbh

his arguments are all very nationalistic, but most football fans don't really care where the players/manager/owners are from, as long their club is doing well and playing good football.

same with his england argument, most football fans would rather their clubs were doing well and couldn't give much of a toss about the England team.

But aside from striking all the wrong chords, he's on shakey ground anyway. 10 of the players in the champions league final were English. How many were German? Italian? French? Spanish? I think the English were well represented tbh.
And will England ever win the world cup again? maybe. they's looking good at the minute, but they are as they always were - in the pack of decent sides that have a chance, but outside the favourites.
Only one team can ever win and it's a damn tight field.

Platini said:
You have to remember that football is a game - a beautiful game, yes, and one that makes millions, but it is a game, a spectacle made for the fans and not the money-men.[/platini]
and it's a greater spectacle for most english fans as a result of the foreign players and investment non?

I don't disagree that things have gotten a little out of hand can could do with a shake up, but Platini is just playing the lowest common denominator with his nationlistic lines in the sand.
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Whether or not he has a solution is not the point, the point is his observations of the English game mirror our own, but because he's perceived as anti-English his remarks are automatically discounted which is a shame because that's exactly what Scudamore wants you to think

I don't know how much power UEFA actually has over the game in Europe, if they have a similar amount of power as the FA (ie, FA) then there's not a lot he can do other than make comments like he has done, but it's still better than nothing

and I don't buy the arguments that the FA cup will become dominated by the top four cos they all want to win it each year because it's their best chance at a trophy. They're just one off games and as we see every year, upsets happen all the time. Giving a Champion's league place to the FA cup winners is a great idea (unless of course you support one of the top 4 then you start pooing your pants)
 
Bonfirelight said:
his arguments are all very nationalistic, but most football fans don't really care where the players/manager/owners are from, as long their club is doing well and playing good football.
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Yes but it's very rarely your own club that's the problem. The problem is when you're a fan of a club that doesn't happen to be in the top four of the Premier League, doesn't happen to be in the Premier League full stop or doesn't happen to have a rich sugar daddy that can get them there. The top four, then the rest of the Prem steal all the money which cements themselves in their position and does not allow others to join. More often than not, the teams that go up come straight back down after one or two seasons. There's no competition in English football because the top clubs take everything for themselves, so of course those supporters aren't gonna complain that they're doin well, but what about the rest of us?
 
CyberRose said:
Whether or not he has a solution is not the point, the point is his observations of the English game mirror our own, but because he's perceived as anti-English his remarks are automatically discounted which is a shame because that's exactly what Scudamore wants you to think

I don't know how much power UEFA actually has over the game in Europe, if they have a similar amount of power as the FA (ie, FA) then there's not a lot he can do other than make comments like he has done, but it's still better than nothing

and I don't buy the arguments that the FA cup will become dominated by the top four cos they all want to win it each year because it's their best chance at a trophy. They're just one off games and as we see every year, upsets happen all the time. Giving a Champion's league place to the FA cup winners is a great idea (unless of course you support one of the top 4 then you start pooing your pants)
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Re the FA cup.

Prize money for winning the FA cup is less than the prize money for finishing last in the Premiership. Do you really think the FA cup is a priority for the majority of Premiership teams? You really honestly think that the top four teams would continue to put out their reserves for the FA cup if it had a CL prize attached to it! lol.........

What would it mean say if Portsmouth or Cardiff would have got a CL slot? Early exit in the qualifiers and in the UEFA cup most probably. Wow that is really socking it to the rich clubs! fucking fantastic that! lol

Re whether or not he has a solution!!!! ffs, what does he get paid for? I'd happily take home his fat salary for coming up with tea time prejudiced philosophy that is going nowhere.
 
Relahni said:
Re the FA cup.

Prize money for winning the FA cup is less than the prize money for finishing last in the Premiership. Do you really think the FA cup is a priority for the majority of Premiership teams? You really honestly think that the top four teams would continue to put out their reserves for the FA cup if it had a CL prize attached to it! lol.........

What would it mean say if Portsmouth or Cardiff would have got a CL slot? Early exit in the qualifiers and in the UEFA cup most probably. Wow that is really socking it to the rich clubs! fucking fantastic that! lol

Re whether or not he has a solution!!!! ffs, what does he get paid for? I'd happily take home his fat salary for coming up with tea time prejudiced philosophy that is going nowhere.
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Well I'm sure Portsmouth and Cardiff fans would tell you to fuck off. What right do you have to tell them they're not rich enough to qualify for the CL? If they get knocked out in the first round so what? Maybe next year they'd come back and improve?

As for "what he gets paid for" - what does the head of the FA get paid for? The FA are powerless when it comes to the Premier League, so what's the point of the FA in your PL bubble you seem to live in? The FA can do fuck all about the PL, maybe UEFA is the same? If so, maybe that's something that needs to change? But as we know money does the talking and money rules the roost so any attempt by UEFA/FA to interfere in the PL for the good of football will be rejected by the rich clubs
 
There's no competition in English football because the top clubs take everything for themselves, so of course those supporters aren't gonna complain that they're doin well, but what about the rest of us?
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I dunno, i'm under no illusion that my team will ever challenge for the premiership.
I'd be made up if we get out of the conference tbh.
As for the rest of the clubs that would like to compete but aren't good/big/rich enough.. I do think the premier league does need to be made more competitive, but it's always been like this. Throughout history in England and abroad, there were often spells were 1, 2 or 3 teams dominated for the best part of a decade, and everyone else worried how they would ever compete, and eventually the cartels were broken. Okay, this is all going on a little longer than before, but it's just a phase.
 
Regardless of issues of the big four getting too big (which I agree with), the Champions League is the competition between the elite teams in Europe, and exciting because of that. If Portsmouth or Cardiff ever qualify on that basis then great, good for them. But as FA cup winners? No thanks. Ineffective tokenism IMO.
 
alsoknownas said:
Regardless of issues of the big four getting too big (which I agree with), the Champions League is the competition between the elite teams in Europe, and exciting because of that. If Portsmouth or Cardiff ever qualify on that basis then great, good for them. But as FA cup winners? No thanks. Ineffective tokenism IMO.
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Why don't we just make the Champion's League open to teams from Italy, England and Spain then?

I'd be all for a Champion's League where only the winners played each other, and then the rest can go in a UEFA cup, but we have three other rich teams that would disagree wouldn't they?
 
i remember when i was a kid and everyone in newcastle was pissed off about how all the best players were geordies but newcastle couldn't hang onto them.
 
I'd be all for a Champion's League where only the winners played each other, and then the rest can go in a UEFA cup, but we have three other rich teams that would disagree wouldn't they?
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I'm undecided if im honest.
The nostaligic romantic in me likes the idea of the champions of each country playing each other to determine the champion of europe, but in a way the winners of the current competition have a much better claim to being 'the best team in Europe' because there are very few easy games nowadays.
I guess that's why the current competition is so successfull (and lucrative)

The problem though, is that it does reward its participants so well that they're able to just entrench themselves as the force in their domestic leagues and perpetuate their success.
Perhaps instead of all going to the clubs, the money was split between the other clubs in their division.
a Man Utd win would then benefit all the teams in the premier league instead of just furthering Uniteds power.
 
tarannau said:
I don't think you can blame Arsenal. They're beginning to see the fruits of more english players coming through their youth setup now. Other teams are just, or far more, culpable of not bringing talent along properly.
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I agree, plus Arsenal have developed plenty of decent English players in the past, Upson, Ashley Cole, Bentley, Pennant. They might not have hung onto them but they are still playing in the Premiership.

I think the rest of the Big Four are far bigger culprits personally. They might make some big money signings of English players, but it's not about that, it's about developing the youth, regardless of who they go on to play for, IMO...

And yeah, the new batch at Arsenal look excellent especially Wilshere.
 
isitme said:
it isn't tho

it's just a city.
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Dunno though, in some ways there are these proper corners of English stuff in London where a lot of other cities have been made into bland identikit shopping parades.

Look how much easier it is to find a decent speasy groon in London, or a first-rate beer garden, in London, just for instance.
 
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