Michael Moore - Capitalism: A Love Story
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London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
He preaches to and panders to the converted, and the easily pleased among the converted to boot.
That isn't any definition of 'accessible' I can recognise.
That isn't any definition of 'accessible' I can recognise.
http://www.powertripthemovie.com/synopsis.html
Anyone seen this doc 'Powertrip' about the hippie capitalists of the AES energy company and their takeover of the Georgian Electricity grid.
Anyone seen this doc 'Powertrip' about the hippie capitalists of the AES energy company and their takeover of the Georgian Electricity grid.
ska invita
back on the other side
I'm a big fan. In my mind he's a working class hero. He hasn't been to Yale, he's just a normal guy whose ideologically driven, and all power to him. Yeah, he's become very successful (and rich), but not by selling out - he deserves his success. It wasnt handed to him on a plate - he dug in for every victory. Good for him.
It is accessible because he isn't an intellectual. He isn't professor of international relations with a PHD in sociology, and that makes his films what they are - a personal, ideologically driven take.
I know a number of what I would call socially conservative people, in the UK and the US, who have been provoked by his films. Americans I know all wanted to ask me about the NHS after seeing Sicko for example. They had no idea there was free healthcare here...
...similarly the shock on Americans faces when they find out the BBC is funded through taxes and is therefore ad-free is hilarious! For commie-fearing Americans this is verging on revolutionary!
*im looking forward to seeing this.
dilute micro
esse quam videri
It wasn't too long ago that UK theater had to be approved by the government right? Things can go wrong in either direction.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
absolutely.
Sicko was a superb film, very well put together and very powerful. Should be shown on a daily basis in the States at the moment
It's also simply not true that he simply preaches to the converted, if he did, there wouldn't be any right-wingers who could come along and 'correct' his facts.
And even if a viewer does broadly agree him already, there is still usually plenty to pick up and discover from each film.
I agree with this post.
Tried watching that recently and had to turn it off after 10 minutes because his voice was so grating. Even more so than normal, but I consider him a necessary evil. Why not fight fire with fire? Fuck me, have you SEEN Fox News lately?
Come on...Sicko made the NHS seem PERFECT and it's lovely and all but perfect it most surely ain't.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
not really it didnt. Sure it skirted over many issues, but it was made for the US market, and was unashamed about its bias. It made the point, clearly and amusingly, that insurance systems were far far worse for the vast majority of people. And as that was what it aimed to do, then it did what it set out to do. Which is nice.
N_igma
Epistemic nuisance
After watching Manufacturing Dissent I have come to the conclusion that he is an odious twat. Stupid White Men was a good laugh though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_dissent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_dissent
AKA pseudonym
Well-Known Member
This. I've a lot of time for Mike Moore. He's done more to interest the man on the street - mainly in America, but elsewhere too - in some major issues of our times than most of the politico beard-stroking contingent ever will. Some of his stuff is rubbish, sure, but I can forgive him that.
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
Michael Moore is an excellent pamphleteer, but he plays too fast and loose with the facts. Without going into the lists of accusations and counter-accusations, just note the scene in Bowling For Columbine where an interview of Matt Stone is followed by a cartoon that looks just like South Park. The implication that Stone and Parker had run it up was obvious, although neither had anything to do with it. 
just note the scene in Bowling For Columbine where an interview of Matt Stone is followed by a cartoon that looks just like South Park. The implication that Stone and Parker had run it up was obvious, although neither had anything to do with it.
I was left with the impression that they had created it and had to go check now to see if you were right lol.
I love it how unless you live self-sufficiently off the land in a hemp-entwined yurt wearing goats cheese slippers then you're a hypocrite to hold socialist views.
ouchmonkey
Singe Gainsbourg
there's a place for Moore. I know people on here get worked up about it but you aren't really his audience
the arguments seem to be
- it's too simplistic
- he's preaching to the converted
- this stuff is easy to find out
- he prefers cheap stunts and sensationalism to dry intellectual rigour
- also he is a fat vulgar american, and frankly, we disdain that sort of thing here.
have you ever sat and watched Fox news for long?
that's the audience he wants to reach - not the converted but other fat vulgar americans who don't have much time or interest for complex political theorising but do however think god made the world in 7 days, that President Obama is a muslim who hates white people and our treasured NHS is a socialist evil because Fox and other mainstream US media tell them that.
he is, in many ways, badly needed.
the arguments seem to be
- it's too simplistic
- he's preaching to the converted
- this stuff is easy to find out
- he prefers cheap stunts and sensationalism to dry intellectual rigour
- also he is a fat vulgar american, and frankly, we disdain that sort of thing here.
have you ever sat and watched Fox news for long?
that's the audience he wants to reach - not the converted but other fat vulgar americans who don't have much time or interest for complex political theorising but do however think god made the world in 7 days, that President Obama is a muslim who hates white people and our treasured NHS is a socialist evil because Fox and other mainstream US media tell them that.
he is, in many ways, badly needed.
dilute micro
esse quam videri
and fame too
dilute micro
esse quam videri
They aren't his audience. It's the fence sitters or the ones that know nothing and couldn't care less.
Azrael
circling Airstrip One
I've no problem with his style or his arguments. (I don't agree with most of them, but Mr Moore can argue what he likes.) It's the misrepresentation I dislike. He could do all the things you list and avoid that.
Fame can be an unfortunate side effect of being a successful musician/actor etc. Not everyone wants fame for fame's sake like Paris Hilton or big brother contestants. Although I'd agree that Moore enjoys being the star of his own documentaries.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Just watched this.
It's really very good. As with any Michael Moore documentary, it could be tightened up in places and it starts off slow but really, the material is so strong it doesn't matter. He's doing what he does best - ordinary Joe telling it like it is. If you want spoilers, the Guardian review has plenty.
Less angry and more focused than I expected. It's a full on call for revolution.
It's really very good. As with any Michael Moore documentary, it could be tightened up in places and it starts off slow but really, the material is so strong it doesn't matter. He's doing what he does best - ordinary Joe telling it like it is. If you want spoilers, the Guardian review has plenty.
Less angry and more focused than I expected. It's a full on call for revolution.
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
Any one got a torrent for this? It's been out since October and there's not been a whiff of it anywhere except for one really crappy cam copy.
