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detective-boy said:
I'm not sure that I would take that line as proving he actually said "It's not" in so many words (as opposed to "We don't think it is", "We're pretty sure it isn't" or some similar construction) without knowing the exact circumstances of how it came to be written (i.e. what questions were actually asked of the CRA members, what was their actual recollection, how defibnite were they of their recollection).

Likewise I would not take his recollection, issued later, via his solicitor, as being proof that he didn't.

What we DO know is that at the time he briefed them he did not KNOW the identity of the person for sure (it wasn't definitely confirmed until later that evening) and, knowing AC Hayman, I cannot see him stating definitively something which he could not have actually definitively known at that time.

The issue of concern is not really that anyway - it is the fact that he did not prevent the Commissioner from using an entirely misleading construction in his general Press Statement later - I think it is plain from a variety of accounts (including either of AC Haymans) that by that stage the MPS did not "believe it was" one of the bombers anymore. At very best, they had significant doubts that it was or believed it probably wasn't.

It's also clear (because it's definitively stated in the IPCC report) that they are satisfied that he gave a definitive negative identification -i.e he said loud and clear to the CRA briefing that it wasn't one of the four targets. To do that he doesn't need to yet have 100% positive identification.

But yes, it's not the main issue for us, it is however the exact area and i suspect the exact type of arguments that Hayman is going to conduct his defence on over the coming period.
 
detective-boy said:
The issue of concern is not really that anyway - it is the fact that he did not prevent the Commissioner from using an entirely misleading construction in his general Press Statement later

Quite.
 
The fact that all the lying cocksuckers involved in the whole ugly incident still have their jobs and, in some cases, have been promoted, is what makes me and a fuck of a lot of other people think all coppers are bastards.
 
Yoss. Go away. You are not adding anything. Everyone else here is saying useful stuff, furthering the debate.
 
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