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fudgefactorfive

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According to the CACDP, about 80% of the people that take their Level 1 exam in British Sign Language are women. This is actually less than my own experience, which is around 90% - I'm on my third year of learning (2.5 hours per week): in both the previous years, I was one of two men who started the courses and the only one to finish them, in classes that started off with about another 15 women in. (I've also noticed that of the men who do it, a lot of them are gay, though it's a very poor sample that I'm working with ;) ).

I've just picked up some voluntary work in a Deaf Access community project, they were very keen for me to start, just because I'm a bloke, and all their current volunteers are women. Deaf people like to be represented by people of their own gender when they're being spoken on behalf of. I can understand this - I used to know a deaf guy who would phone me using TypeTalk, who also seem to be staffed entirely by women. It was strangely disorientating.

The same is true for interpreters - there's a current shortage of men. Islington Council, one of the only councils in the country to have its own in-house team of sign language interpreters as opposed to booking them via agencies, is staffed entirely by women (or was, as of mid 2006).

You can pick up a cheap sign language course at the start of the academic year (not great timing for this post, then) in some local council colleges - Lambeth and Southwark colleges for example - these are the cheapest at around the £120 mark. If you're on the dole or other benefits, you can get 'em for a pittance - I paid £20 for this year's course, and that includes the Level 2 exam. A few colleges do also run calendar year courses beginning in January I believe. They are heavily subscribed - turn up as early as you can on the very first day of enrolment. I really recommend a CACDP-approved course - this is the most widely recognised qualification in BSL. The British Deaf Association are also supposed to be coming up with their own courses (amidst much politics).

Aside from that, you can get courses from independent bodies and private tutors, but these tend to be more expensive, often around the £500 mark. The advantage with these is that they tend to be more intensive, which really suits some people more. I imagine it's a lot harder, but you don't spend ages doing it. If you don't have the cash and you're doing a job which involves contact with the public, why not sound out your employer about sending you on one? ;)
 
hehehehe :) i was thinking about doing a bsl course (i'm female btw), but i might actually encourage the bf to give it a go.

he's a care worker so 95% of his colleagues are women :D he's not keen on going into management, so this might be ideal.
 
*signs up*

So the courses are heavily subscribed, but they're short of interpreters?

How transferable are the different sign languages?
 
citydreams said:
*signs up*

So the courses are heavily subscribed, but they're short of interpreters?

How transferable are the different sign languages?

These are the beginner level courses - very few people make it to qualified interpreter level, it's a fairly gruelling process, you have to be good at it *and* put a lot of work in (I should be practicing now, not bumming around on urban), and you more or less have to have decent exposure to / contacts within the Deaf community to make the grade. I think there is a minor shortage of interpreters generally and a marked shortage of male interpreters.

But there is a lot you can do with your signing skills at an intermediate level! Finishing your level 2 seems to be the requirement now for Communication Support Worker type roles, but just level 1 will open a few doors too, depending on your other skills and experience of course.

It's just the cheap state-funded courses at major colleges which are over-subscribed. The more expensive "private" ones can be picked up fairly easily. But we're talking about 5 times the cost. :(

They're barely transferable at all. British Sign Language is totally different to both American Sign Language and Irish Sign Language. American is actually closer to French Sign Language. The only country which uses a recognisably BSL-descended version is New Zealand, with Australia coming a close second, although even that has evolved far enough away to be considered a sign language in its own right.

Sign languages also vary more in their home countries than spoken languages do, or at least, more than spoken languages do now due to radio, telephone, mass media etc. Dedicated TV scheduling for signers has impacted that, BSL is a more homogenous now than it was a hundred years ago. One of the challenges facing beginners is that they have to get a feel for what signs come from which part of the country, so that you're not signing in a bizarre multi-accent. Imagine someone who switched from Geordie to Somerset to Scottish six times a sentence.
 
Congratulations on your success with BSL, Fudge.

I think the gender imbalance is pretty general in language learning, not specific to BSL.
 
JHE said:
Congratulations on your success with BSL, Fudge.

Hopefully people will be saying that to me come June :eek:

I think the gender imbalance is pretty general in language learning, not specific to BSL.

aye, my partner has done Arabic and Spanish in the last few years, like me, he's usually been one of a couple of men in the class, again, about 10 to 1.
 
Hi FFF, you knew I'd turn up here, didn't you? ;)

One of the reasons for the gender imbalance is also that of hearing children of deaf parents, the females are much more likely to become interpreters than then males. Quite a few of the female interpreters I know had Deaf parents but none of the male ones did (and as FFF says - the male interpreters are all gay for some reason).

I guess this is a follow-on from the female children of Deaf parents being the ones who do the most interpreting at home - of those families I know with boys boys and girls, it was always the girls who would accompany the parents do doctors appts, etc.
 
jugularvein said:
excuse me if this is ignorant, but is slang easy to use in sign language?

As someone whose first language is sign language, I say yes, there's plenty of slang and it's as easy to do as any other word. For example, knocking a hand against your waist with your hand palm up, often accompanied with a shrug means "Eh, fuck it" or "Don't care."

As for regional slang, there are many regional variations on words. I can think of three different BSL signs for sugar, depending on where you are.
 
missfran said:
Hi FFF, you knew I'd turn up here, didn't you? ;)

I was hoping so :)

One of the reasons for the gender imbalance is also that of hearing children of deaf parents, the females are much more likely to become interpreters than then males. Quite a few of the female interpreters I know had Deaf parents but none of the male ones did (and as FFF says - the male interpreters are all gay for some reason).

I have theories about the high gay factor but they're quite hard to go into without coming across as unbelievably self-righteous, which is quite a trick for me at the best of times anyhow :D

It's definitely traditional sexism at work anyhow - little girls are expected to fit into "helper" roles, while little boys are expected to, I dunno, go and impale jaguars or something.
 
fudgefactorfive said:
According to the CACDP, about 80% of the people that take their Level 1 exam in British Sign Language are women. This is actually less than my own experience, which is around 90%

That sounds about right.
I did my stage 1 a few years ago and there was only one other bloke out of a class of 15.

*kicks self up the arse to take it back up again*
 
I have theories about the high gay factor but they're quite hard to go into without coming across as unbelievably self-righteous, which is quite a trick for me at the best of times anyhow

:D
 
Does anyone know of cheapish makaton courses? (sorry, female:o;) )
Know basics to sign to toddlers and would love to learn more
 
I use bsl with my toddler ;)

We had to learn it a few years ago as my hearing was rapidly declining.. It has leveld out to a "I cant hear fuck all said behind me level" but i can cope with that!

Got to say my husband is far better at sign than i am, but we do find it usefull in work, though i do need more practice than i do!
 
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