Discussion in 'protest, direct action and demos' started by charlie mowbray, Nov 24, 2016.
I know. respect Daniel Guerin in particular a lot actually.
Drink and drugs
somebody please explain!
I don't think you'll like this, o twat of twats. Too "chav" too "criminal".
Unemployed take food from Mercadona and Carrefour in mass action in Andalucia
Now go back to your adolescent wanking
its pretty cool. will do.
the truth is that, when it comes down to it, anarchism doesn't have any real politics or anything to say at a critical time.
thats what all of you know already but don't want to admit.
If you were pressed to define "real politics", I wonder how you'd respond?
not 'shoplifters of the world unite!'
Attempting to define something by suggesting what it isn't usually disappoints, and is often a heuristic of paucity of thought.
this is the other anarchist 'move' - go from the lumpen criminal chav pose to posing as critical theory big word intellectuals.
Like I said, I wondered how you'd respond to a straight-forward invitation to define what you meant by "real politics".
I'm wondering no more.
basically stuff that is relevant to people and the actual issues that affect them.
looting chavs and rioters are not. evangelical veganism is not. prison abolitionism is not.
what is the Anarchist response to Brexit? the EU? Russia and Syria and the crisis in the ME, the refugee crisis etc etc.
what is the Anarchist response to the cuts in the NHS? To Trump? To rising house prices, rent?
i find they tend to be nothing more than Russell Brand type comments, ie there is no plan, program, or anything. or else, like Chomsky, they tend to be pragmatic advice which leads to supporting one of the main left parties practically.
i think it is because of things like this many people are defecting or will defect from anarchism to the Labour or Green Party, or perhaps the SWP/Counterfire or some other Trot/Commie group, because they feel that there is nothing coming from anarchism than can really address the issues.
Are you in the habit of asking for the response to various political issues of whole ideologies? Faced with a demand for the response to Brexit from, say Socialism, would you expect an uncontested, singular answer?
i dont expect an answer, but some kind of direction.
i can google the web for various socialist and anarchist answers.
but in reality, all i'm trying to say, perhaps not eloquently, is that the times are getting bad, and anarchists have nothing much to say that is practical.
i get the impression that a lot of people on the Trot left have gone Jeremy Corbyn because they realise they can't really carry out a revolution.
lots of texts, mostly but not all fluff, but none of this is a direction politically.
as i said, i also don't have the answer.
Probably not something you don't already know, but all those examples of 'real politics issues affecting people' derive from the authority of the various states involved. And you're asking what the anti-authoritarian, anti-state ideology has to say?
What is your response to these things?
As an anarchist I favour the IWCA's approach.
The people who carried out these expropriations, SAT, have nothing to do with Anarchism. They are Communists and Andalusian nationalists and are now involved in Unidos Podemos
i wish i had a proper response. but i don't and i admit it.
it a bit hard to say tho, if someone asks me " what do you think of the EU, the euro etc?
and the anarchist response is " it doesn't matter until all states are abolished and there are no gods and no masters'
ok, very well, but that doesn't say much about how things are now and the actual choices available.
So you admit all of these things are complex and don't have answers yourself.
But also you would like the Anarchist Federation to have simple answers to them all?
I think anarchism does have something to say.
however, it has to be something sensible. ie to say ' abolish all prisons' is easy to say, but in reality, it is not going to happen and if it did, then the response may not be better, it may be worse ie the formation of vigilantes/vendetta/rough justice/lynchings etc.
Afed doesn't have any answers to them, thats the problem.
No-one has said that to you, have they?
instead the Afed promotes things like this:
perhaps afed is the time waster
You appear to have a very negative agenda.
no. afed is good at reproducing books and pamphlets from yesteryear.
And why exactly does this bother you?
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