Meet the Anarchist Federation

Discussion in 'protest, direct action and demos' started by charlie mowbray, Nov 24, 2016.

  1. Anton

    Anton Banned Banned

  2. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model every man and every woman is a star

    Drink and drugs

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  3. Anton

    Anton Banned Banned

    maybe
     
  4. Anton

    Anton Banned Banned

    somebody please explain!
     
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  5. charlie mowbray

    charlie mowbray The Enforcer

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  6. Anton

    Anton Banned Banned

  7. Anton

    Anton Banned Banned

    the truth is that, when it comes down to it, anarchism doesn't have any real politics or anything to say at a critical time.

    thats what all of you know already but don't want to admit.
     
  8. brogdale

    brogdale Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism

    If you were pressed to define "real politics", I wonder how you'd respond?
     
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  9. Anton

    Anton Banned Banned

    not 'shoplifters of the world unite!'
     
  10. brogdale

    brogdale Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism

    Attempting to define something by suggesting what it isn't usually disappoints, and is often a heuristic of paucity of thought.
     
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  11. Anton

    Anton Banned Banned

    this is the other anarchist 'move' - go from the lumpen criminal chav pose to posing as critical theory big word intellectuals.
     
  12. brogdale

    brogdale Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism

    Like I said, I wondered how you'd respond to a straight-forward invitation to define what you meant by "real politics".
    I'm wondering no more.
     
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  13. Anton

    Anton Banned Banned

    basically stuff that is relevant to people and the actual issues that affect them.
    looting chavs and rioters are not. evangelical veganism is not. prison abolitionism is not.

    what is the Anarchist response to Brexit? the EU? Russia and Syria and the crisis in the ME, the refugee crisis etc etc.
    what is the Anarchist response to the cuts in the NHS? To Trump? To rising house prices, rent?

    i find they tend to be nothing more than Russell Brand type comments, ie there is no plan, program, or anything. or else, like Chomsky, they tend to be pragmatic advice which leads to supporting one of the main left parties practically.

    i think it is because of things like this many people are defecting or will defect from anarchism to the Labour or Green Party, or perhaps the SWP/Counterfire or some other Trot/Commie group, because they feel that there is nothing coming from anarchism than can really address the issues.
     
  14. brogdale

    brogdale Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism

    I see.
    Are you in the habit of asking for the response to various political issues of whole ideologies? Faced with a demand for the response to Brexit from, say Socialism, would you expect an uncontested, singular answer?
     
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  15. Anton

    Anton Banned Banned

    i dont expect an answer, but some kind of direction.
    i can google the web for various socialist and anarchist answers.

    but in reality, all i'm trying to say, perhaps not eloquently, is that the times are getting bad, and anarchists have nothing much to say that is practical.

    i get the impression that a lot of people on the Trot left have gone Jeremy Corbyn because they realise they can't really carry out a revolution.
    lots of texts, mostly but not all fluff, but none of this is a direction politically.

    as i said, i also don't have the answer.
     
  16. brogdale

    brogdale Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism

    Probably not something you don't already know, but all those examples of 'real politics issues affecting people' derive from the authority of the various states involved. And you're asking what the anti-authoritarian, anti-state ideology has to say?
     
  17. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    What is your response to these things?
     
  18. Magnus McGinty

    Magnus McGinty IdProle

    As an anarchist I favour the IWCA's approach.
     
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  19. JHE

    JHE .

    The people who carried out these expropriations, SAT, have nothing to do with Anarchism. They are Communists and Andalusian nationalists and are now involved in Unidos Podemos
     
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  20. Anton

    Anton Banned Banned

    i wish i had a proper response. but i don't and i admit it.

    it a bit hard to say tho, if someone asks me " what do you think of the EU, the euro etc?
    and the anarchist response is " it doesn't matter until all states are abolished and there are no gods and no masters'
    ok, very well, but that doesn't say much about how things are now and the actual choices available.
     
  21. Fozzie Bear

    Fozzie Bear Well-Known Member

    So you admit all of these things are complex and don't have answers yourself.

    But also you would like the Anarchist Federation to have simple answers to them all?
     
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  22. Anton

    Anton Banned Banned

    I think anarchism does have something to say.
    however, it has to be something sensible. ie to say ' abolish all prisons' is easy to say, but in reality, it is not going to happen and if it did, then the response may not be better, it may be worse ie the formation of vigilantes/vendetta/rough justice/lynchings etc.

    Afed doesn't have any answers to them, thats the problem.
     
  23. brogdale

    brogdale Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism

    No-one has said that to you, have they?
     
  24. brogdale

    brogdale Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism

    Time-waster.
     
  25. Anton

    Anton Banned Banned

    instead the Afed promotes things like this: Shoplifting.jpg
     
  26. Anton

    Anton Banned Banned

  27. Anton

    Anton Banned Banned

    perhaps afed is the time waster
     
  28. brogdale

    brogdale Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism

    You appear to have a very negative agenda.
     
  29. Anton

    Anton Banned Banned

    no. afed is good at reproducing books and pamphlets from yesteryear.
     
  30. brogdale

    brogdale Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism

    And why exactly does this bother you?
     

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