Meat in Brixton Market

[andygeorge]

I know it seems horrible and, whilst I can't say I like the practices of some of the market traders, I think it's too easy to be hard on these guys. If any of you have ever seen slaughter hosues and the way supermarkets treat their meat I doubt you'd be quite so dismissive - the fact that the ghoulish side of things is obscured by homogenised plastic shrink-wrapped trays doesn't hide the fact that much of the meat is as badly sourced and treated.

Brixton Market's more in your face and stinks worse perhaps, but at least you can assess the condition of meat fairly easy on the bone -let your senses be the judge. And you're unlikely to buy a ready meal that contains dog-meat grade imported out of date chicken, which has happened to nearly all the supermarkets more than a few times.

Besides, some of the finest meat I've ever had has been in Argentina, where you seem the same cows hanging covered in flies and hanging by the roadside in festeringly hot conditions. We're so detached from production now that I suspect we find much of the meat trade distasteful. I can't really give a crap that the meat has touched a trolley for example- assume all meat is filthy and cook it properly.

I always say this, but Moens is both overpriced and overrated - cuts and meat quality simply aren't good enough compared to other butchers, many of which are considerably cheaper and more experienced. It stays open late and is pretty and well marketed, but it's really not worth the money. The brand image is way better than the reality

Thumbs up for Phillips here, and William Rose too. Dove's still remains my local favourite though - the salt pork is particularly fantastic, as is the belly pork.

As always, tarannau speaks sense...bravo to you for a thoughtful and sensible argument and for your support for the local businesses, you never judge things at face value and always give food for thought....

 

[tarannau]

Truth is Andy, I remember doing most of our shopping in the market as a kid. I'm even old enough to remember gran buying big bags of blood down there and making proper West Indian black pudding - something no longer legal unfortunately.

The smell, the way of buying, the cowfoot didn't seem that unusual then - regular trips to Guyana and beyond showed meat served in similar conditions, often in far hotter climates and without refrigeration. It's with the rise of supermarkets and their sanitised shopper-controlling environments that has helped alter perceptions of meat to a homogenised, odourless product that comes in white plastic trays. It's got to the stage now when people won't buy dark coloured meat even if reduced in the supermarket, not realising that once the packaging's 'protective atmosphere' has been popped, the meat oxidises and goes darker - the bright red shade we're accustomed to isn't particularly natural.

Meat markets which have a hefty volume of meat on premises do smell. Smaller, old school butchers get round this by having a considerable back room store and keeping less on display. It would blinking help if Lambeth sorted out the drainage and the cracked paving stones around there mind.

 

[netbob]

You're wrong memespring...the van in the picture only supplies mutton and offal..they do NOT and have NEVER supplied chicken...

maybe its a different van then. either way its parked under the arch by bradys every week and full of scank.

 

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[Choc]

yep i wouldn't go to the market butchers either. somehow to unhygienic considering its meat involved.

but i know there is an organic butchers in clapham who is very good.

 

[passpat2]

I'm having a BBQ on Saturday.

Don't want to go to Tesco's and get lots of burgers etc in plastic packing.

So it's Brixton market for mince and sausages.

Can anyone recommend a butchers you trust for taste and price?

Thanks

Dombey in the market.. he alwasy looked after me well.. makes his own sausages, which are excellent, and his mince is second to none.. I used it in the Albert when I was there and never any complaints.. well priced.. and if you ever do get a bad batch.. tell micheal.. he takes critisism well and constructivley

 

[twistedAM]

I know it seems horrible and, whilst I can't say I like the practices of some of the market traders, I think it's too easy to be hard on these guys. If any of you have ever seen slaughter hosues and the way supermarkets treat their meat I doubt you'd be quite so dismissive - the fact that the ghoulish side of things is obscured by homogenised plastic shrink-wrapped trays doesn't hide the fact that much of the meat is as badly sourced and treated.

Brixton Market's more in your face and stinks worse perhaps, but at least you can assess the condition of meat fairly easy on the bone -let your senses be the judge. And you're unlikely to buy a ready meal that contains dog-meat grade imported out of date chicken, which has happened to nearly all the supermarkets more than a few times.

Besides, some of the finest meat I've ever had has been in Argentina, where you seem the same cows hanging covered in flies and hanging by the roadside in festeringly hot conditions. We're so detached from production now that I suspect we find much of the meat trade distasteful. I can't really give a crap that the meat has touched a trolley for example- assume all meat is filthy and cook it properly.

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Good argument but i still get queasy about stack-em-high butchers selling stuff cheap. Been there, done that and spewed it out when I was a student in Moss Side. I know it's wrong to tar everyone with the same brush but my memory rules me on this account and I'm not into taking that many risks.
I used to live on New Park Road and the butcher there seemed to take a lot of care inloading deliveries, so that's where my comparison to Brixton Market is based mostly.
I wish there were more family butchers around but thank you fucken Tesco for nothing.
I agree with you totally about supermarkets andalso their overpriced pseudo-organic trash. I'd never eat a ready meal (well apart from a pattie maybe) and on no account would I eat any chicken or farmed trout (used to work on a trout farm)
Food is a difficult issue these days and all these journo scare stories doesn't help.
Thanks for a good debate.

 

[hipipol]

Dombetys is allright

I've bought plenty of shit from there an I aint de...a..d.......yet......gaspo ............cr.....o...a...k ..........aaah

Edited to point out that this is a ..aham, "joke"
Dombeys is ace, got our Goose there for last Crimbo and the duck from there the year before that, the rumpsteak is ace, as have been the roast beef - their topside has always been tops in my book

 

[DrRingDing]

Don't want to go to Tesco's and get lots of burgers etc in plastic packing.

"Oh noes don't shop at tesco but I'l buy the flesh of beings for fun from local butchers cos thats brill"

You're a fuvking twat..

 

[treefrog]

I was wondering when this'd become a veggie/non-veggie bunfight...

 

[Mr Retro]

Meat markets which have a hefty volume of meat on premises do smell. Smaller, old school butchers get round this by having a considerable back room store and keeping less on display. It would blinking help if Lambeth sorted out the drainage and the cracked paving stones around there mind.

I don't agree with this. Butchers smell when meat has gone past it's best or if the premises are not cleaned properly.

Theres a big market where I'm from in Cork and it never smells. The stalls there always look a lot better, cleaner, produce is displayed with a bit of pride and it's is as cheap as Brixton.

I'll never buy any meat in Brixton because my frame of reference is the Cork market.

 

[hipipol]

You must be getting hungry then mate

 

[DRINK?]

Altlantic Rd, April '07, 8am

All meat I ever saw getting delivered in Peckham Rye gets delivered like this...shocking and f*cked if I would ever buy it....still as the revenue bloke claimed all the shops were fronts for drugs etc so guess H&S and quality of produce etc is not high on their list of priorities

 

[andygeorge]

All meat I ever saw getting delivered in Peckham Rye gets delivered like this...shocking and f*cked if I would ever buy it....still as the revenue bloke claimed all the shops were fronts for drugs etc so guess H&S and quality of produce etc is not high on their list of priorities

What a Twat!
Ok, you've criticised, ranted and spouted a load of crap...what is your solution? It's easy to come up with a lot of heresay, but how else does this meat get delivered?
Just because the supermarkets deliveries are done 'behind closed doors' does'nt mean they are any 'cleaner/fresher/better/healthier'...

Wake up and smell the coffee Drink...

 

[Orang Utan]

"Oh noes don't shop at tesco but I'l buy the flesh of beings for fun from local butchers cos thats brill"

You're a fuvking twat..

Looks like it's you who's the twat for insulting someone for asking a perfectly valid question.

 

[Chairman Meow]

I don't agree with this. Butchers smell when meat has gone past it's best or if the premises are not cleaned properly.

Theres a big market where I'm from in Cork and it never smells. The stalls there always look a lot better, cleaner, produce is displayed with a bit of pride and it's is as cheap as Brixton.

I'll never buy any meat in Brixton because my frame of reference is the Cork market.

Yayy - big up to the English Market!

 

[Orang Utan]

Or the Irish market in this case!

 

[Mr Retro]

Yayy - big up to the English Market!

Has that always been your tagline? Only noticed it now

Come to think of it Smithfields doesn't smell either.

 

[Chairman Meow]

Or the Irish market in this case!

Confusingly, the market Mr Retro is talking about is called the English Market, even though its in Cork.

And yes, that's been my tagline for aaaaaaages.

 

[Orang Utan]

Confusingly, the market Mr Retro is talking about is called the English Market, even though its in Cork.

And yes, that's been my tagline for aaaaaaages.

AAAAAH!

 

[DRINK?]

What a Twat!
Ok, you've criticised, ranted and spouted a load of crap...what is your solution? It's easy to come up with a lot of heresay, but how else does this meat get delivered?
Just because the supermarkets deliveries are done 'behind closed doors' does'nt mean they are any 'cleaner/fresher/better/healthier'...

Wake up and smell the coffee Drink...

Haha....get f*cked...if you want to eat that sh*t your choice, I always try to buy meat from a butchers but from those in Peckham Rye?? not in a million years...my walk to work used to coincide with the meat deliveries, if you'd seen what I seen you wouldn't.... carcasses fallen off trollies to the gutter and picked up and delivered without a word, people smoking in the back with the meat. Maybe that does go on behind closed doors though I ain't seen it there is a big difference between small chain butchers and getting produce from slaughterhouse to shop and the shocking stuff you can see every morning outside those establishments

 

[Mr Retro]

I walked past the 4 butchers at the end of electric avenue (3 on one side and 1 on the other) and the fucking stink was apalling. There is no need for that, it's just rank.

 

[andygeorge]

Haha....get f*cked...if you want to eat that sh*t your choice, I always try to buy meat from a butchers but from those in Peckham Rye?? not in a million years...my walk to work used to coincide with the meat deliveries, if you'd seen what I seen you wouldn't.... carcasses fallen off trollies to the gutter and picked up and delivered without a word, people smoking in the back with the meat. Maybe that does go on behind closed doors though I ain't seen it there is a big difference between small chain butchers and getting produce from slaughterhouse to shop and the shocking stuff you can see every morning outside those establishments

God give me strength!!..It's small-minded, can't see past their noses, think they know-it-all numptys like this one here who can't have a debate in a sensible, constructive manner.
He sees a carcass fall off a trolley..THEN IT MUST HAPPEN ALL THE TIME!
Has a tomatoe or lettuce never dropped on the floor in a supermarket and then put back on display?

"people smoking in the back with the meat. Maybe that does go on behind closed doors though I ain't seen it.."

What you don't see won't hurt you eh, Drink...get real..

What the hell have the butchers in Peckham got do with this debate..It's about butchers in Brixton!
And what sh*t are you talking about? Is all the meat sold in butchers sh*t?

"there is a big difference between small chain butchers and getting produce from slaughterhouse to shop and the shocking stuff you can see every morning outside those establishments"

What the hell does that mean?

Discuss..

 

[Mr Retro]

Is all the meat sold in butchers sh*t?

Almost certainly not. But some (a lot?) of them are tarring the rest with the same brush.

 

[andygeorge]

Almost certainly not. But some (a lot?) of them are tarring the rest with the same brush.

Thanks for echoing what I originally said Mr Retro...

As I have mentioned previously, I have a business in Atlantic Road, Atlantic Meat Market and am hesitant to start slinging insults at other butchers nearby. This is not my style.
All I have been trying to point out is that we are not all the same. People often ask me why my shop does'nt smell like the others...all I say is that I can't comment on how the others maintain their premises, only on how we look after our own.

We are still there after 38 years, so we must be doing something right.

 

[DRINK?]

God give me strength!!..It's small-minded, can't see past their noses, think they know-it-all numptys like this one here who can't have a debate in a sensible, constructive manner.
He sees a carcass fall off a trolley..THEN IT MUST HAPPEN ALL THE TIME!
Has a tomatoe or lettuce never dropped on the floor in a supermarket and then put back on display?

"people smoking in the back with the meat. Maybe that does go on behind closed doors though I ain't seen it.."

What you don't see won't hurt you eh, Drink...get real..

What the hell have the butchers in Peckham got do with this debate..It's about butchers in Brixton!
And what sh*t are you talking about? Is all the meat sold in butchers sh*t?

"there is a big difference between small chain butchers and getting produce from slaughterhouse to shop and the shocking stuff you can see every morning outside those establishments"

What the hell does that mean?

Discuss..

with you...no point, I would never eat meat from those shops, nor would anyone I've ever walked with at that time...why debate it, couldn't give a f*ck about being shortsighted. it was not one carcass seen falling have seen it on many occasions...you wanna eat it you eat it....

 

[DRINK?]

We are still there after 38 years, so we must be doing something right.

aha it becomes clear....well I'm sure your establishment is far superior to those down the rye....you keep defending the butchers down there...does you no favours or your trade, now for good butchers, East Dulwich William Rose now your talking or Masons Nunhead...proper butcher shops not the health and safety car crashes you see in Peckham...

 

[andygeorge]

aha it becomes clear....well I'm sure your establishment is far superior to those down the rye....you keep defending the butchers down there...does you no favours or your trade, now for good butchers, East Dulwich William Rose now your talking or Masons Nunhead...proper butcher shops not the health and safety car crashes you see in Peckham...

I'll try again..

It should have been clearer to you earlier, Drink?..I have already said that I have a butchers in Brixton before on this thread, but as you're a little slow you probably did'nt notice eh?
Far from defending the butchers down the Rye, what the f*k have they to do with this debate? We are talking about butchers in Brixton...oh I forgot, you don't listen...
As for William Rose in Dulwich and Masons in Nunhead, you are absolutely right, they are the dog's b*****ks, but they cater for a different type of customer to those in Brixton..


Finally, for someone who does'nt want to discuss this, you don't half talk a lot.

 

[DRINK?]

I'll try again..

It should have been clearer to you earlier, Drink?..I have already said that I have a butchers in Brixton before on this thread, but as you're a little slow you probably did'nt notice eh?
Far from defending the butchers down the Rye, what the f*k have they to do with this debate? We are talking about butchers in Brixton...oh I forgot, you don't listen...
As for William Rose in Dulwich and Masons in Nunhead, you are absolutely right, they are the dog's b*****ks, but they cater for a different type of customer to those in Brixton..


Finally, for someone who does'nt want to discuss this, you don't half talk a lot.

OK you win...I can't be bothered, go back to what ever it is you do, pigs heart... trousers down.....we know what you butchers get up to...the crafty butcher of brixton

 

[Orang Utan]

That's out of order DRINK? You were caught generalising and when a real butcher comes along and challenges you, you come make snide innuendos