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Madusa said:
Depends. Got the fucking seeds. :facepalm:



What's the difference between 'ragga' and 'raggae'? Like I have my own definition, but I guess I have always wanted to ask that question...
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Ragga is rabid, reggae is chillaxed.

Don't know what raggae is.

This is Rageh Omaar:

RAGEH-OMAAR.jpg
 
Spion said:
Reggae is the overall genre, but actual reggae, as such, started in about 1968. It's got the off beat 'skanga' guitar chop thing and a walking, spaced out bass line.

Ragga was Raggamuffin and was a sub-genre of reggae that started up in the 80s, often with really quick toasting vocals on top of the music, IIRC
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ahh k. Thanks. yeah, that's what i'd say too. ;)

Ragga's cool. Most of the lyrics are funny as fuck...'cept for the homophobia and violence obvs which is a shame cos the fat beats n hooks are usually awesome.
 
Well they tell me of a pie up in the sky
Waiting for me when I die
But between the day you're born and when you die
They never seem to hear even your cry
 
"Pass me de laser beam, an' mek me wipe out de wicked dem, clean"

Thinking about it though – you can't pass someone a laser beam since it's not a tangible item. Unless there exists some sort of energy storage device that traps energy in its original form i.e. without converting it, and then allowing you to release it later. Surely this isn't possible, after all you can't just let sunlight shine into a box and then use the box as a torch when night time comes. You can't hold sound or x-rays in your hands. So he obviously meant “pass me the device that, upon pressing of some sort of triggering mechanism, will emit a burst of laser energy whose frequency and amplitude is such as to be deadly”. But it would be difficult to find something to rhyme with that
 
Johnny Canuck2 said:
Until the philosophy which hold one race superior
And another
Inferior
Is finally
And permanently
Discredited
And abandoned -
Everywhere is war -
Me say war.
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DID YOU KNOW that the lyrics on Marley's War are based on (lifted from) a speech Selassie gave to the UN in 63? Check it:
Last May, in Addis Ababa, I convened a meeting of Heads of African States and Governments. In three days, the thirty-two nations represented at that Conference demonstrated to the world that when the will and the determination exist, nations and peoples of diverse backgrounds can and will work together. In unity, to the achievement of common goals and the assurance of that equality and brotherhood which we desire.On the question of racial discrimination, the Addis Ababa Conference taught, to those who will learn, this further lesson:

That until the philosophy which holds one race superior and another inferior is finally and permanently discredited and abandoned; That until there are no longer first-class and second class citizens of any nation; That until the color of a man's skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes; That until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all without regard to race;

That until that day, the dream of lasting peace and world citizenship and the rule of international morality will remain but a fleeting illusion, to be pursued but never attained; And until the ignoble and unhappy regimes that hold our brothers in Angola, in Mozambique and in South Africa in subhuman bondage have been toppled and destroyed;

Until bigotry and prejudice and malicious and inhuman self-interest have been replaced by understanding and tolerance and good-will; Until all Africans stand and speak as free beings, equal in the eyes of all men, as they are in the eyes of Heaven; Until that day, the African continent will not know peace. We Africans will fight, if necessary, and we know that we shall win, as we are confident in the victory of good over evil.
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i added paragraph marks, but actually its just one long sentence!

By the way, i just read a really insightful, warts and all book into Sellasie called The Emperor by Ryszard Kapuscinski http://www.shop.housmans.com/BookItem.aspx?item=9780141188034 <<<really recommend it
 
New name, mon: The Original Nuttah
Take heed and take check
UK Apache along di Shy FX
And when we come it's murderation!
All original gangsta man,
hear what mi tellin' now
Ya hear mi
Come and nuh imitate
Originate!
Wi come fi originate
Alright, mate?
Know what yer doing, mate
[In here we get 'em comin' about kill]
So now I'm 'unna stop talk
Watch mi tell dem, rude bwoy
Watch this!

Nah-nee-nee-woh-oh, dig-ee-Nah-Nah-no-no-no
Nah-nee-nee-woh-oh, zig-ee-Nah-Nah-no-no-no
Nah-nee-nee-woh-oh, zig-ee-Nah-Nah-no-no-no
Ooh-yeah-eh, ooh-yeah-eh, ooh-noo-no-no-no-no-no

Bad boys inna London
Rude boys inna England
Bad boys him a take on
Rude boys inna Kingston

Watch ya

http://www.justsomelyrics.com/1218573/Shy-FX-Original-Nutter-Lyrics
 
Train to girlstown


"This train is bound for Kingston Jamaica West Indies
We are goin' to Girls Town - all aboard !
This is engine 59
And the driver is none other than Senor Pedro Gonzales (nice, nice)
Leavin' London to Kingston
We are now goin' across Montego Bay
Comin' in to Kingston..…
An' if you please, take a look to your right
You will see the Blue Mountains
Now a whole lot of black pretty girls live there
A whole lot of black soulful girls (nice…)
Now just for a second, take a look out the window
Look upon the hill
See that pretty house ?
That's the house of the famous Judge Dread
Better known as Judge Four Hundred Years,
Y'know that man ? (yes suh, great man)
That's the man who cool the heat
With a rock steady beat

Now we are now approachin' Kingston
An' we are flyin' over Orange Street
See that shop in front of Buster's shop?
Use to be a bad man there - ain't there no more !
(wha' 'appen to 'im, bredda?)
boy, 'im get tired !
An' went down down down the street
(a funny lickle guy that!)
right!

Now if you take a look to your left
You will see a house
with a coffin put out at the door
That's the house of Emmanuel Zachariah Zaccepon
You know that man?
(yes, he's a badman)
well we are now passin' Boneyard
see it deh - 'im grave ?
lots of flowers……

Only 2 miles to go before we reach Girls Town
An' Senor Pedro Gonzales,
Don't get jumpy, you will reach…
(Nice)
Now look, look look!
That's the the house, that's the house - that big palace you see there
With all them guards and all them children
at the gates standin'
That's the palace of the famous Prince Buster
The mighty Prince Buster
And for those of you from Nottingham, and Birmingham and Liverpool
That's the house of the mighty Prince Buster, Mr Alcapone himself
That's right, that's the man, that's the man
Well, we are now enterin' Girls town
Wooooy ! Watch the girls ! Here come the girls….
And Senor Pedro Gonzales leave the engine an' jump on the girls
(Nice)
An' the train is headin' down hill - Senor Pedro ?
(nice)
Senor Pedro?
(Nice)
Rock steady
(Nice)
Rock steady
Uh-huh, tell them I'm comin' back to London
With a music sweet for their dancin' feet
Uh huh, Girls town, look at dem girls, pretty
(nice)
sweet girl
(nice)
 
ska invita said:
By the way, i just read a really insightful, warts and all book into Sellasie called The Emperor by Ryszard Kapuscinski http://www.shop.housmans.com/BookItem.aspx?item=9780141188034 <<<really recommend it
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Yeah, it kinda makes a mockery of him doesn't it. Not recommended reading for any Rasta's that's for sure.

Are there any good books as to why Sellasie is so highly regarded??? Cos Kapuscinski basically calls him a big twat doesn't he, who fudged up his own people big time.
 
HobgoblinMan said:
Yeah, it kinda makes a mockery of him doesn't it. Not recommended reading for any Rasta's that's for sure.

Are there any good books as to why Sellasie is so highly regarded??? Cos Kapuscinski basically calls him a big twat doesn't he, who fudged up his own people big time.
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Here's how I understand it - the reason he was so highly regarded is basically that there was a growing african consciousness movement in JA, and his status, words and deeds from a distance impressed Jamaicans. This all reached a peak when Selassie visited JA in 66. This visit raised his status into a cult figure - stoned rebellious rastas literally thought it was the second coming, and got swept up in a wave of euphoric pride over this regal figure.

Kapuscinski does show all his short comings, but I took something gentler and more forgiving away from it - basically that he was a product of his time, and ultimately good at heart (he wasn't an evil, plotting despot - though he was a despot). His confusion and incomprehension at his son's discovery of socialism, for example, was very telling. Im not making excuses for him, just felt that he was a product of his time - when a king was a king and a pauper was a pauper.
 
ska invita said:
Here's how I understand it - the reason he was so highly regarded is basically that there was a growing african consciousness movement in JA, and his status, words and deeds from a distance impressed Jamaicans. This all reached a peak when Selassie visited JA in 66. This visit raised his status into a cult figure - stoned rebellious rastas literally thought it was the second coming, and got swept up in a wave of euphoric pride over this regal figure.

Kapuscinski does show all his short comings, but I took something gentler and more forgiving away from it - basically that he was a product of his time, and ultimately good at heart (he wasn't an evil, plotting despot - though he was a despot). His confusion and incomprehension at his son's discovery of socialism, for example, was very telling. Im not making excuses for him, just felt that he was a product of his time - when a king was a king and a pauper was a pauper.
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Yeah, very true, very true. It's just a bit annoying being a massive reggae fan and wanting to get behind the Selassie stuff, but the whole thing is pretty ropey isn't it. It's a shame listening to all the "Hail HIM" stuff knowing that it's a bit misguided. Still if I was a supressed ex-slave stock I would want to try and find some kind of figurehead that gave a higher meaning to me and my people's existence.

He was defo a man of his time, but I thought the author's tone was pretty damning the whole way through. But yes, a man of his time and Ethiopia had a lot worse bastards in power after HIM, probably even to this day.
 
Nothing like ragga lyrics for their sheer jaw-dropping unsubtlety! :hmm:

Gal fi beg
Anytime yuh hold dem inna yuh bed
Cock dem up high
An sink yuh third leg

(Buju Banton)

Limb by Limb
We are gon cut dem down
Send fi the hacksaw
Take out de tongue

(Cutty Ranks)

:eek:
 
stephj said:
Nothing like ragga lyrics for their sheer jaw-dropping unsubtlety! :hmm:

Gal fi beg
Anytime yuh hold dem inna yuh bed
Cock dem up high
An sink yuh third leg

(Buju Banton)

Limb by Limb
We are gon cut dem down
Send fi the hacksaw
Take out de tongue

(Cutty Ranks)

:eek:
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Sometimes u want to make love. Other times u want to fuck.

Same thing with ragga.
 
Two faves:

I ain’t gonna break my promise to Jah Jah
I ain’t gonna break my promise to you

(Johnny Osbourne)

Tears in our eyes we cry why
Love in our hearts so why
Why must we feel that same feeling
In our soul

(Aswad)

:D
 
stephj said:
Nothing like ragga lyrics for their sheer jaw-dropping unsubtlety! :hmm:
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Well not just ragga:

Leftside & Esco said:
My girl tuck in yuh belly, A beg yuh tuck in yuh belly, A weh yuh a go wid dat man, Tuck in yuh side Ha ha

From yuh know yuh belly nuh bang
And yuh know say yuh look good inna yuh thong
Gyal bruk out, yuh belly look clean
And yuh know say fit in inna magazine, yuh zeen

Some gyal belly bag ova like shirt
One bagga flab dem need some ab work
Big gut and big butt
Gyal dat nuh work
And mi nah even smile or smirk
Yuh fi tek care a yuhself
Gyal know what yuh worth
Yuh belly nuffi look like yuh a give birth
Yuh foot favour broom stick
Don't wear nuh skirt
Mi gyal model yuh nuh shape like the earth
(Never)
Walk out Sky Juice nuh yuh daddy
Model pon a gyal yuh belly flat like bammy
Yuh cute and yuh sexy
Round like Tami
A you win the flat belly grammy

From yuh know yuh belly nuh bang
And yuh know say yuh look good inna yuh thong
Gyal bruk out, yuh belly look clean
And yuh know say fit in inna magazine, yuh zeen

From yuh know say yuh look good Debra
Yuh skin nuh marky and stripe up like zebra
Hold up yuh hand cause yuh hot like pepper
Walk through the dance
Yuh and real hot stepper
From yuh know say yuh have flat belly
Yuh hot inna yuh swimsuit like Kris Kelly
When yuh a walk it nuh shake lie jelly
Up inna the video and talk up Shelly
(Why)

From yuh know yuh belly nuh bang
And yuh know say yuh look good inna yuh thong
Gyal bruk out, yuh belly look clean
And yuh know say fit in inna magazine, yuh zeen
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stephj said:
(Johnny Osbourne)
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Ah, Johnny Osbourne

Render your hearts and not your garments
The truth is there, for who have eyes to see
Harshality has no place in this judgement
Remember the words of prophecy

And some Gladiators (their best track by far, IMO)

Say the I-man don't deal in no kind of hearsay
Back weh wi dat an come straight, an you a come
Say dem a de ginnal, dem a de big chief
But the winning card in this game, is I who got it
 
ska invita said:
Here's how I understand it - the reason he was so highly regarded is basically that there was a growing african consciousness movement in JA, and his status, words and deeds from a distance impressed Jamaicans. This all reached a peak when Selassie visited JA in 66. This visit raised his status into a cult figure - stoned rebellious rastas literally thought it was the second coming, and got swept up in a wave of euphoric pride over this regal figure.
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Selassie had been revered by rastas since the 1930s, which is when the movement began. It kept a tiny following, often in the hills, until post-independence when rasta influence in music (Count Ossie for eg) and by musicians visiting the rasta camps started to see it become more mainstream among urban youth in Kingston. The 66 visit boosted something that was already there
 
HobgoblinMan said:
It's just a bit annoying being a massive reggae fan and wanting to get behind the Selassie stuff, but the whole thing is pretty ropey isn't it. It's a shame listening to all the "Hail HIM" stuff knowing that it's a bit misguided.
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I know what you mean but some of the lyrics in the more conscious reggae chime a bit with fragments of stuff I remember from Sunday school and primary school assembly . . "God help the man helps himself . . . " etc :o And I'm a confirmed atheist
 
Spion said:
The 66 visit boosted something that was already there
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From what I gather though the 66 visit was like Beatlemania, and it took the whole thing to a whole nother level and won over a whole new strata of followers - the aftermath of the visit created a huge cult of personality around him. Im getting all this from a Lee Perry biog that described the visit and the immediate effects on music scene/people etc. - wasnt there myself ;)

---

By the way, what about some classic Shabba:
Dem a di don, so a means we av the key,
Put di don to de key, and turn im inna donkey
:D
fun vid too
 
A wa do dem a wa do dem dem dem
A me nuh know - a me nuh know -
Me seh me love her fi mi virgin girl
Gung ho, me really love her so

Me love fe see her wey she walk and pose
Fancy rose to match her clothes
Gung ho, fi mi virgin girl

Me love fe see her when her hair fulla pearl
Anywhere she go people love her in the world
She don' worship diamond, she don' worship pearl
Gung ho, fi mi virgin girl

A wa do dem a wa do dem dem dem
A me nuh know - a me nuh know -
(scatting)

De two a we a walk an' de two a we a talk
She a wear rose an' a me a wear black
We hug up an' pass in a sun shade glass
An' little after that we gaan a Kingston Park, ey

Whole heap a people jus' a start to laugh
She too short an' a me too tall
She too short an' a me too tall, ey
A wa do dem......



:hmm:
 
Gimmie punanny waan punanny
Gimmie punanny waan punanny
Gimmie punanny waan punanny
Gimmie punanny waan punanny

Coolie punanny, chiny punanny, blacky punanny
Whity punanny any punanny a di same punanny
Glimmity glammity whoa it haffi tie mi
Glimmity glammity whoa it haffi shot mi
Glimmity glammity whoa aids haffi tek mi
Glimmity glammity slipe pen haffi si mi follow mi

 
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