McDonalds
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UnderOpenSky
baseline neural therapy
If people are going to throw shit at them, they should at least make sure its up to date. I'm sure there is still plenty left to throw.
Bahnhof Strasse
Let's av ya fuckin' dancin'!
As far back as I can remember all their beef for UK consumption has been sourced from Europe and most recently from the UK & Ireland.
It's to meet US demand that South America is being deforested.
Personally their food makes me want to vomit, but the brat loves a Happy Meal.
It's to meet US demand that South America is being deforested.
Personally their food makes me want to vomit, but the brat loves a Happy Meal.
ChrisFilter
Like a boss.
But it is that simple. A corporation's primary aim is profit.
ChrisFilter
Like a boss.
Apropos of nothing, I have a 30 minute walk through central London to get to work, and I don't pass a single McDonalds.
I pass:
3 Subways
2 Itsus
5 Prets
3 Eats
3 Pizza Expresses
2 Wagamamas
1 Nandos
1 Yo Sushi
2 Cafe Rouge
1 Real Greek
2 Gourmet Burger Kitchens
1 Burger King
2 Upper Crusts
but not a single McDonalds. I find this odd.
I pass:
3 Subways
2 Itsus
5 Prets
3 Eats
3 Pizza Expresses
2 Wagamamas
1 Nandos
1 Yo Sushi
2 Cafe Rouge
1 Real Greek
2 Gourmet Burger Kitchens
1 Burger King
2 Upper Crusts
but not a single McDonalds. I find this odd.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
I'm impressed that this thread has managed to bring out so many clichés:
We've had McDs are universally bad
You should eay locally sourced bacon and eggs
There is a monothought clique (jonajuna's first post on the thread where he/she mentions 'If you don't suibscribe to the popular politic')
We've had McDs are universally bad
You should eay locally sourced bacon and eggs
There is a monothought clique (jonajuna's first post on the thread where he/she mentions 'If you don't suibscribe to the popular politic')
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I wonder if having worked for them makes me more or less evil than those who eat thier food regularly.
What does the monothout clique recon?
What does the monothout clique recon?
ChrisFilter
Like a boss.
Has this thread made anyone else crave a Maccy D's?
Ok their advertising is probably misleading, wouldn't surprise me. I do think that probably all fastfood outlets are as bad, but of course MD get a bad name with thinks like their libel trial, and past record.
Subway is probably just as bad.
subversplat
writer of wrongs
Rainforest Alliance is a scam. They might as well say their coffee comes from the moon.
The only sticker with any actual rules behind it (and whether even they're any good is debatable, but far beyond the scope of this post) is Fair Trade.
Open Sauce
Active Member
How many stars?
Funny you say that, was thinking the other day that the Rainforest Alliance logo with the little green frog looked like someone was trying a bit too hard.
Aye.. but that wasn't the bit I was talking about.
This bit:
... is the simplistic shite.
It's an assumption that takes into account almost nothing apart from simplistic prejudices and turns a huge organisation full of millions of people doing hundreds of different jobs into a single entity that has a single uniform desire. It's kak.
MacDonalds have a community team for each region who's remit it is to find worthwhile projects, that both help the community and promote the name and brand of MacD's, to invest in. Those people... are they motivated by profit?
Each action of an organisation needs to be judged within it's own context.
ChrisFilter
Like a boss.
In the eyes of the law a corporation is a single entity, not a collective. This entity exists to make profit.
Legal position aside, McDonalds only do these community/charity based projects to improve their image and to advertise. If you think any differently then you're being naive.
People at McDonalds can have great intentions and be lovely people, but the corporation is there for the dollars. McDonalds would never sponsor a community project if they had to do it silently.
kyser_soze
Hawking's Angry Eyebrow
Kiz, it's actually illegal for the operating officers (board) of a company to do anything that might harm or damage profits; they are legally obliged to the shareholders to ensure that nothing is done 'from the kindness of our hearts', and that everything is done to maximise profits. This isn't simplistic analysis, it's the legal framework corporations work in (have you seen/read The Corporation? You should).
Whether individuals working withing a corporation are motivated by the ultimate profits of that entity is irrelevant - the corp itself must deliver growth (usually profit growth, but other indicators like market share can also be used (e.g. the soap powder market)); stuff like CSR is touchy-feely marketing led activity, which can do good yes, but at the price of that 'good' wearing the corporations logo.
There's probably an analogy one can draw here with the RCC selling papal indulgences to an extent, altho I personally think that this kind of thing was first done properly, effectively and with the same psychology behind it, by the Medici family in Florence.
I was gonna mention that. It's great, but depressing.
In the eyes of the law.. but that's not what he said.. he said common sense... which suggests a broader definition.
I don't think anything else. I said as much in the post you quoted. What I think is naive is in not appreciating what these projects can, and do, do.
They wouldn't get the dollars if it wasn't for the people.
It's a very simple matter to justify reform at board level on the basis of public perception and profit maintenance. That legal framework you mention is there to prevent rouge board members.
If doing things out of 'the kindness of our hearts' made money then you can bet your bottom dollar that they woyuld be setting up a r&d team that worked out how to sell the milk of human kindness.
Kindess and profit can easily go together. It's profiteering we need to stand on as consumers.
Local small business also do little out of kindness unless it drives their profits.
Which doesn't have to be any price at all.
I don't think then that allows you to sugges that sub-departments that deal with community based projects are therefore irrelevant.
Sensible thinking would suggest that it's much better for corps to pay for community projects out of their profits than it is for us to pay for them from our taxes.
I really hate it when you go all clever on me.
You think the way corporations trample all over humanity is down to "rouge boards members"?
You think the way corporations trample all over humanity is down to "rouge boards members"?
No. I think the way some corps have behaved in the past and still do is down to people.
Bigger guns make bigger bangs.
ChrisFilter
Like a boss.
That I don't disagree with.
On a very local level, McDonalds could enrich a person's life through community projects. Taken at a 'bigger picture' level, their efforts mean shit compared to the damage they do to the world in pursuit of profit.
Still, I eat there from time to time. I'm not moralising. The world is how it is because people are, at heart, selfish and greedy. Not much is going to change that.
Each branch has a budget and a remit to do some community work that does provide opportunities for those who have few. And the more we, the consumer push for it, the more they'll do.
It's worth bearing in mind that MacD's don't do so much damage here in pursuit of profits... and that has been entirely down to consumer pressure. The food standards and hygeine standards have improved while costs have still been kept fairly low. They provide a decent variety at 3am of food that is less likely to kill you than a kebab.
It's just a matter of keeping up and increasing that consumer pressure so that they can't justify damaging anywhere else instead.
Agreed.
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