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cockneyrebel said:
Nope most of my family and friends have always voted Labour. Although most of them didn't at the last election.

None of them come across as patronising, snobish, numb skulls like you though.

Yeah try and get in a few insults but your ridiculous arguements for taking the people poor countries need most has been exposed over and over again.
And showed that you have never given the issue any serious thought. And the debate has also shown that you have a total disregard for honesty.
NO ONE WANTS YOUR RACIST CRAP.
 
tbaldwin said:
Yeah you really believe in WORKERS POWER dont you. You believe in their power to be told what to do by people like you.

Do Labour believe in workers' power? :eek:
 
cockneyrebel said:
And again.....
And again tell us what WP say to people in developing countries who see all their skilled workers going to the West.

Is it
Come and Join us?
Stop Moaning?
Or Bad Luck ?
 
You cant answer any of the points or admit your wrong. So instead you write. and again.. excellent CR maybe your controllers at WP will be impressed but i dont think anyone else will.
Apart from RICO the liar maybe.
 
Hi CR .. i asked you some simple questions about the relationship between the idea and reality of workers power and immigration .. your quick answer was very illustrative where you suggested that you would not go with the workers if e.g. they supportted the BNP .. this exposes totally the leftist view of the working class and the relationship that the left has with it .. it also shows your deep anti working class prejudices re the w/c that they are all basically racist cunts .. and this from someone in a group that calls itself workers power!! incredible .. do you really not understand the basis of all revolutionary politics that without workers power there is reaction!!!

your and the rest of the left's continual denial of the w/c , rejection of w/c values, contempt for the w/c leads you to a situation where you think it is

1) ok for the w/c to have their work/jobs/wages undercut by privatisation/immigration

2) have there communities broken up to provide housing for this same immigrant labour

3) assume that when the w/c moan about this ( lets be honest there are fck all racial attacks in this country) therefore w/c are racist and anti foreign ..

In fact of all classes the w/c is the most welcoming and accomodating ..

I suspect that you and your lot think that i and tb and J Reilly etc are petty racists?? the truth is, unlike you i suspect, many of my closest friends are/from w/c immigrant backgrounds .. and unlike you is supect, i regularly work with low paid african and easternm european agency workers ( where once we had TU job for life lads) ..

so am i racist .. GTF .. no, as marx belived, i just belive immigartion is being carefully controled .. but not as you think

i think they are deliberately allowing in hundreds of thousands and more .. disprove this ..

and that immigration is used to destroy organised labour , in the factories and estates .. and if you have a minute maybe try to understand this .. and answer my questions ..



and to repeat ..

"Freedom of movement for the working class doesn't just benefit the ruling class either, it benefits the working class as a whole through forming bonds of international solidarity. "

laughable .. the bonds of international solidarity are growing strong and beautifully as we speak on the streets of bradford, burnley and broxbourne and all points in between

but seeing as you are a member of, is it workers power ??.. CR do you believe workers should have control of

1) factories/work places .. and all within ..
2) neighbourhoods .. and housing and all else

and as part of that

3) do you not think workers should control movemnet of people in factories and into localities?? if not who does??



also do you not slightly think that the current wave of immigration might be in any way related to neo liberalism and the wave of privatisations etc that follow .. that as Marx clearly saw capitalism uses immigration as a weapon AGAINST orgainsed labour???

that in fact maybe we do not have anti-immigration controls as you people always bleat on about .. but that we have very clearly pro-immigration policies with specific aims of destroying the unions ( heathrow) and driving down wages ( everywhere else )

so what is more important than rebuilding organised labour/w/c , in and out of the work place??? justice for de menedes ?? purlees!!



clear questions please answer thank you

me .. i believe absolutely in workers control and belive we should move toward it and any way or means ..

you .. i suspect .. regardless of what it says on your party card .. are scared shitless of workers power
 
Good post Durrutti,
I wonder how many of the people like WP and other right on Liberals really get any of this.
To be honest i think they are really confused and instinctivelly want to condemn the IWCA etc as Racist but realise they might just have something wrong but dont want to admit it.
Id still guess that the orthodox left will change their liberal free market position on migration fairly soon.
 
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