MC5 vs Stooges

[A Dashing Blade]

Final proof? Metallic KO. How many times did the MC5 challnge the entire cities angels to a fight? How many barrages of bottles did they play through until they were knocked unconcscious??

Rock & roll credentials . . .

Are you sitting comfortably?

How many of the Stooges are dead (surely de-regour for a proper rawk star)?
How many did serious time (5 years for coke iirc)?
How many were involved with the Black Panthers?
How many were married to Patti Smith? (ok you don't have to answer that one).
Did Sonic Youth name themselves after a Stooge? (thanks Wiki)

Last but far from least, the MC5 had a better logo.

 

[A Dashing Blade]

The sounds of the production line brought to the ears of literally hundreds in musical form. No they didnt have the success they deserved at the time whilst MC5 had one cracking track that took the airwaves by storm. . . .

Huh? MC5 = Motor City 5 ie Detroit.
Surely you're agreeing with me in the second sentence?

 

[Dubversion]

Without Mr Jones's involvement, The Stooges would be consigned to the "just another garage band" record bin ie with his seal of approvement, everyone else suddenly thought they were good.

that's revisionist bullshit.

 

[phildwyer]

The MC5 sold out after one album and trıed to be a top 40 band. The Stooges got heavıer wıth each album.

 

[bluestreak]

mc5 for the politics, stooges for i wanna be your dog.

 

[belboid]

pah! how many MC5 albums has Steve Albini produced?
How many members of the MC5 have been played by Elijah Wood in a movie?

actually, I'm not helping myself there am I?

 

[phildwyer]

mc5 for the politics

Can,t say I,m too ımpressed by theır polıtıcs. The 'Whıte Panther Party' ındeed, how naff ıs that?

 

[belboid]

Huh? MC5 = Motor City 5 ie Detroit.
Surely you're agreeing with me in the second sentence?

yeah, but that's just a name. And I'm agreeing that Kick out the jams is a fucking brilliant song, much more popular than anything the stooges did at the time, but that doesnt make them a better band!

 

[A Dashing Blade]

that's revisionist bullshit.

One mans revisionist bullshit is anothers living memory (well, the 1977 stuff anyway).

Without Bowies involvement, The Stooges reputation and Iggys subsequent career would have taken a much flatter trajectory.

 

[Dubversion]

Without Bowies involvement, The Stooges reputation and Iggys subsequent career would have taken a much flatter trajectory.

pure conjecture. how can you possibly know that?

 

[belboid]

even if it was true - and there's no doubt that bowie did help iggy out in the seventies - that doesn't mean it would remain so. The genius would have shown through and risen.

 

[A Dashing Blade]

pure conjecture. how can you possibly know that?

C'mon, how many obscure 1 or 2 album groups do you think were good but subsequently lapsed into obscurity. Balance of probabilities, I submit your honour to the jury, would suggest the same would have happened to the Stooges first 2 albums (I'm assuming here that we wasn't called in to produce/remix Raw Power & that it was never released)

 

[Negativland]

Do the people who knock the Bowie mix of Raw Power (rightly so) actually like Iggy's compressed-to-shit, loud yet flat, nu-metal remix?

 

[bluestreak]

Can,t say I,m too ımpressed by theır polıtıcs. The 'Whıte Panther Party' ındeed, how naff ıs that?

what would you have called a white solidarity group for a black power organisation?

maybe this deserves a thread of its own actually...

 

[A Dashing Blade]

what would you have called a white solidarity group for a black power organisation?
QUOTE]

Anyone else see a kitten pic coming along?

 

[siarc]

Do the people who knock the Bowie mix of Raw Power (rightly so) actually like Iggy's compressed-to-shit, loud yet flat, nu-metal remix?

nah the remastered version is excellent, i wouldn't normally favour that type of production but it sort of works with the stooges

i love the digital smearing where the levels are too high, death trip is the best thing ever

 

[Dubversion]

yep, all the in the red !

 

[Major Tom]

bollocks

the best Stooges stuff was recorded before Iggy even met Bowie. Your history is a little fucked

even i agree with that - though Raw Power is a fucking majestic album - which was kind of rescued by Bowie.

 

[Major Tom]

even if it was true - and there's no doubt that bowie did help iggy out in the seventies - that doesn't mean it would remain so. The genius would have shown through and risen.

Iggy was already a legend for Bowie to have got involved in the first place.

 

[Sunspots]

nah the remastered version is excellent, i wouldn't normally favour that type of production but it sort of works with the stooges

i love the digital smearing where the levels are too high, death trip is the best thing ever

Yeah!

The remastered version is incredibly savage, and all the more fantastic for it. It shits on the original mix from a great height.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Rock & roll credentials . . .

Are you sitting comfortably?

How many of the Stooges are dead (surely de-regour for a proper rawk star)?
How many did serious time (5 years for coke iirc)?
How many were involved with the Black Panthers?
How many were married to Patti Smith? (ok you don't have to answer that one).
Did Sonic Youth name themselves after a Stooge? (thanks Wiki)

Last but far from least, the MC5 had a better logo.

Who (over the age of 15) gives a monkey's daily spunk output about "rock 'n' roll credentials" rather than the music?

Only vacuous twats who don't give a fuck about the music in the first place in my experience.

 

[ViolentPanda]

MC5 dıd some crap though--Back ın the USA ıs pretty dıre. The Stooges never put a foot wrong.

Back in the USA is (IMHO) badly produced, in fact almost as badly as "Raw Power" was by Bowie , and the fact that it was so "toppy" put a lot of people off some fecking good tunes.

That said, I love the MC5, but the Stooges piss all over them in terms of sheer gut-churning power and magnetism.

 

[audiotech]

How many here saw MC5?

Just a thought?

 

[Jo/Joe]

Rock & roll credentials . . .

Are you sitting comfortably?

How many of the Stooges are dead (surely de-regour for a proper rawk star)?
How many did serious time (5 years for coke iirc)?
How many were involved with the Black Panthers?
How many were married to Patti Smith? (ok you don't have to answer that one).
Did Sonic Youth name themselves after a Stooge? (thanks Wiki)

Last but far from least, the MC5 had a better logo.

How many Stooges are dead? Just the one I think. The others tried, but wouldn't die. They weren't just better, they were harder.

All that other stuff is horseshit.

 

[Firky]

23/5, you lot needs your lugs clearing out.And another thing right, MC5 didn't have a bloke with a massive dick who took and continues to take it out at every opputunity.

 

[linerider]

Without MC5 there would be no Stooges,but the Stooges took the basic idea and took it to places no-one has ever managed to get to.
IGGY IS GOD

 

[Termite Man]

23/5, you lot needs your lugs clearing out.And another thing right, MC5 didn't have a bloke with a massive dick who took and continues to take it out at every opputunity.

No-ones saying MC5 are shit , just that Stooges are better , I have a 9 cd box set of the Funhouse sessions and some of the stuff that didn't get onto the final record is fucking great !

 

[articul8]

Unanswerable question - they are both great (and wee wee on bands like White Stripes/ Strokes from an immeasurable height).

 

[ouchmonkey]

One mans revisionist bullshit is anothers living memory (well, the 1977 stuff anyway).

Without Bowies involvement, The Stooges reputation and Iggys subsequent career would have taken a much flatter trajectory.

OK.
leaving aside how great the first two albums are for a minute.
the debut (The Stooges) was produced by John Cale.
Cale may not be quite as high profile as Bowie but
He's a better solo artist
was in a legendary band before that
has a better track record as a producer
and a better critical reputation.
(he has better ideas, his own even! and less vanity too but they're by the by)

had the Stooges collapsed as a band and iggy's hospitalisation led to a drug enduced retreat from the world, people would still want to check out that album. Bowie helped start his solo career when no record label wanted him and The Idiot and Lust for Life are great records but, really, the idea he saved the Stooges is just nonsense.