Mayday - new mag set to take the movement by storm

[GarfieldLeChat]

I tlooks like a 5th form student art project was trying to be all hoxden... ie it was a shite soulless idea ripped off from 1000 different sources and then recycled to death will only appeal to 5th form art wadicals...

 

[The Black Hand]

Attica in all seriousness I'd take some of the suggestions on board from chico enrico.

Why are you using words like praxis most people will have no idea what that means. Also why not use a more collective picture of struggle that more people can relate to?

Seriously it just looks like a stereotype of something the right would produce to discredit the left.

I hear you and thanks for the most sensible contribution so far, (and chico and free spirit). The rest are about as much use as a dead weight.

Chicos wise words have already been passed on.

The article that uses the word Praxis is a serious one, the article is not for beginners to politics and anti fascism as it develops a political perspective. The magazine is a cross between a journal and magazine in content. A "magnal" perhaps? I do not know the word to use, but 'magnal' is a synthesis of parts of the words magazine and journal.

As for the front cover it suggests confrontation and surveillance ie. class struggle. I agree you can read individualist into it but I read it differently. For me it suggests collectively fighting back against surveillance and other stuff via the black bloc. As for it being a stereotype then that is perhaps true - but I do not fear confrontation. It is confrontation which has built the movement from Seattle and J18 onwards.

 

[dash_two]

Damn you - you spotted our plan for the front cover of issue 2.

'Mayday' is not a bad choice of name though. It's good someone resisted the temptation to put an exclamation mark after it as well.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

I have done no reviews, i am publisizing the magazine against the usual nay sayers like yourself. Fighting the shite and coming out kicking thru' t'other side

I wasn't referring to the mag...should I put up the link to your sad piece of self promotion Lucy?

Louis MacNeice

 

[butchersapron]

As for the front cover it suggests confrontation and surveillance ie. class struggle. I agree you can read individualist into it but I read it differently. For me it suggests collectively fighting back against surveillance and other stuff via the black bloc. As for it being a stereotype then that is perhaps true - but I do not fear confrontation. It is confrontation which has built the movement from Seattle and J18 onwards.

Now i fear for the contents too.

 

[The Black Hand]

Now i fear for the contents too.

You did ages ago on the threads - did you forget?

 

[The Black Hand]

I wasn't referring to the mag...should I put up the link to your sad piece of self promotion Lucy?

Louis MacNeice

I really do not know what you are on about. I have not written a detailed review of the Mayday magazine.

 

[CyberRose]

In America libertarian does have the use you describe, I do not know whether anarchists use the term. But in the UK and elsewhere it is an anarchist term.

Ah, my bad!

 

[Louis MacNeice]

I really do not know what you are on about. I have not written a detailed review of the Mayday magazine.

Which bit of 'I was not referring to the mag' didn't you understand Lucy?

Louis MacNeice

 

[butchersapron]

You did ages ago on the threads - did you forget?

I said that the title of one article had me worried if it was an accurate indication of the approch it was taking, that was it -i'll wait till i read it to see. But if the overall perspective is that sort of 2001 black bloc bollocks as outlined above rather than anything else - rather than peoples lifes today, then i think i have even more reason to worry.

 

[dash_two]

As for the front cover it suggests confrontation and surveillance ie. class struggle. I agree you can read individualist into it but I read it differently. For me it suggests collectively fighting back against surveillance and other stuff via the black bloc. As for it being a stereotype then that is perhaps true - but I do not fear confrontation. It is confrontation which has built the movement from Seattle and J18 onwards.

A simpler and stronger image might be a giant barcode dominating the cover, with little people behind the bars helping each other to escape by bending and breaking them.

 

[The Black Hand]

Which bit of 'I was not referring to the mag' didn't you understand Lucy?

Louis MacNeice

Just clocked you are on about that myspace site i haven't put much energy into. You could try this;

http://www.durham.gov.uk/durhamcc/d...1?OpenDocument&subject=Working+Class+Bookfair

Or preferably this thread here;

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=212346

That gives the real story of the event in question.

 

[free spirit]

ok, practical and hopefully constructive suggestions re the cover.

it does look pretty piss.- Agreed

do a good logo. all mags should have a good logo. - Only if it is a good logo, if you can't come up with a logo you're sure of at first then stick with the font based typeface you've got for now, much better and cleaner than a shit logo.

if the photo of the guy in the afa hat is meant to be related to the article on anti-fascism, have that as the first title in the contents list, in a large font with all the other stuff smaller (like the cover of new statesman or something)

if that aint the point use another image as that photo looks staged, like something off darren's daft australian cw stickers. Agreed - there's so many shit hot photo's around from various protests over the last few years, this one doesn't really do anything for me.

if the cctv sign aint related to a story get rid of it. you're just throwing money away on the plate for another spot colour. - It's a pretty bog standard image really, particularly after several years plastered all over bus shelters as adverts for the Hard-Fi album.

drop the words 'autonomous' and 'praxis' . using them is just giving folk a stick to beat you with. - Praxis, Polemic... definate turn off words, why not something like 'Autonomous Anti-Facism - Ideas into Action'. I know it's a bit weak, but at least people would have a vague clue what it meant.

have a competition or something. to win a car or a holiday or whatever. that'd get more folk buying it. - lol, not quite sure about this bit, though maybe money off some relevant event or something would be worth it.

I'd also stick the main authors names on the cover fairly prominently as they're the main selling point of the magazine really.

 

[The Black Hand]

I'd also stick the main authors names on the cover fairly prominently as they're the main selling point of the magazine really.

Good call.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

No Attica I'm referring to the time you posted as Luck Parsons to say:

Look, one of the members of the editorial board of Capital and Class http://www.cseweb.org.uk/
(Trevor ****) wrote a really good review which was published in the Summer 200* edition, **. Do you think it's good enough to go into your library?​

Only you forgot to mention that Lucy and Trevor are the same person...as is Attica. Has this jogged your memory.

Louis MacNeice

 

[The Black Hand]

No Attica I'm referring to the time you posted as Luck Parsons to say:

Look, one of the members of the editorial board of Capital and Class http://www.cseweb.org.uk/
(Trevor ****) wrote a really good review which was published in the Summer 200* edition, **. Do you think it's good enough to go into your library?​

Only you forgot to mention that Lucy and Trevor are the same person...as is Attica. Has this jogged your memory.

Louis MacNeice

Yes, Lucy Parsons is dead. You have to look at the context for it to make sense. Limpcok have an inadequate library, they do not like me, and at the time I thought they did not know who 'Lucy' was as i was keeping a low profile. So I hoped to provoke a debate along the lines of 'It's a good review but should we put it in the library cos of who it is'. You see the potential turmoil?

And you must admit loius (you dead poet you) that it is a very good review

 

[chico enrico]

A simpler and stronger image might be a giant barcode dominating the cover, with little people behind the bars helping each other to escape by bending and breaking them.

.....perhaps with three of the figures - of indeterminite gender - engaging in tripartite sexual union, to denote the unfettered pleasure the workers of the world can embrace once they have thrown off the shackles of capital and bourgeois morality.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Yes, Lucy Parsons is dead. You have to look at the context for it to make sense. Limpcok have an inadequate library, they do not like me, and at the time I thought they did not know who 'Lucy' was as i was keeping a low profile. So I hoped to provoke a debate along the lines of 'It's a good review but should we put it in the library cos of who it is'. You see the potential turmoil?

And you must admit loius (you dead poet you) that it is a very good review

I don't think even you believe that guff, but I'll leave you to it Lucy.

Louis MacNeice

 

[chico enrico]

Find a pretty girl to stick on the cover instead. If you don't know any, just pay some East European chick in a coffee shop a few quid to pose for the camera.

In fact, if you want to really 'take the movement by storm' you should apply this to most of the pages inside as well.

 

[free spirit]

Good call.

Price / FREE / Donation / whatever

 

[The Black Hand]

I don't think even you believe that guff, but I'll leave you to it Lucy.

Louis MacNeice

That's what happened.

 

[free spirit]

A simpler and stronger image might be a giant barcode dominating the cover, with little people behind the bars helping each other to escape by bending and breaking them.

now that's got potential IMO

 

[free spirit]

In fact, if you want to really 'take the movement by storm' you should apply this to most of the pages inside as well.

having seen the agro caused by the Projectile designers using an image of a gun toting nubile female revolutionary type on their posters, I'd be wary of going down that line.

 

[chico enrico]

now that's got potential IMO

Or better still, the 'little people' could be chimps dressed up as policemen, soldiers, old tarts in blonde wigs etc, like on those PG Tips adverts on the telly years ago, and the bars could be the bars of a cage in the zoo...

dont really know what it would signify but it would be a funny image.

 

[free spirit]

Or better still, the 'little people' could be chimps dressed up as policemen, soldiers, old tarts in blonde wigs etc, like on those PG Tips adverts on the telly years ago, and the bars could be the bars of a cage in the zoo...

dont really know what it would signify but it would be a funny image.

I'm thinking their designer may struggle with that one

 

[chico enrico]

having seen the agro caused by the Projectile designers using an image of a gun toting nubile female revolutionary type on their posters, I'd be wary of going down that line.

yea, but that's cos guns = penis substitute, thus it was a phallocentric and patriarchial image.

wouldnt think there would be any harm if it was just some Eastern European chick lying on a bed in a studio giving it the 'pink butterfly'.

 

[Strangeways]

Damn you - you spotted our plan for the front cover of issue 2.

Let's see if the first issue sells before planning a second issue.

 

[Strangeways]

Yes, Lucy Parsons is dead. You have to look at the context for it to make sense. Limpcok have an inadequate library, they do not like me, and at the time I thought they did not know who 'Lucy' was as i was keeping a low profile. So I hoped to provoke a debate along the lines of 'It's a good review but should we put it in the library cos of who it is'. You see the potential turmoil?

And you must admit loius (you dead poet you) that it is a very good review

How do you expect people to take you seriously when you post guff like this?

 

[Strangeways]

Attica - have you a day job not to give up?

 

[cockneyrebel]

A simpler and stronger image might be a giant barcode dominating the cover, with little people behind the bars helping each other to escape by bending and breaking them.

Actually that's not that bad an idea!

I don't know much about art but some artist in the 1930s did some really good stuff. I remember two pieces. One where a worker was chained to a swastika and the other one where hitler had his hand/arm in a backwards nazi salute with a boss putting money in his hand with with the slogan above being something like "The Party for the millions", taking the piss out of the slogan that Hitler was using at the time. I thought they were both good because one their message was clear and secondly they could be used as political posters and stuck around.