Massive private tower block proposed next to Stockwell Skate Park

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  1. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    I've got friends and relatives who've had to move out to Medway or further, and for what? So they can spend half their wages commuting back into London for work! It's a fucking joke! :mad:
     
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  2. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    or "shite tall building".
     
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  3. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    it won't be as soon as, given them an hour or two
     
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  4. leanderman

    leanderman Street Party: July 2

    Only going to get worse: population will hit 11.3million by 2050, the Greater London Authority thinks.
     
  5. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    I do hope it gets the requisite edgy typeface:

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  6. Twattor

    Twattor Well-Known Member

    I would like to think not, but given the reports of what can only be described as an utterly shameful display in response to the cressingham question at last week's council meeting, I would have to say I share your cynicism.
     
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  7. Celyn

    Celyn Well-Known Member

    Like Sighthill in Glasgow. Used to have ten double high-rise blocks and lots of low-level 3 storey block, three primary schools, a nursery, local shops, sporty field and youth sporty centre, library, trees and grass and stuff (and the first astronomically aligned stone circle to be built for c.3000 years).

    Fair enough, it's a 1960s built housing estate and is a deprived area and is not perfect but there are much worse places. Everything will be demolished, and - this is the interesting bit - of all the new housing and student accommodation and even a hotel to be built, the number of flats for social housing will be the amazing amount of 141.

    Yes, 141. Not a typo. I suppose I shouldn't complain because I do get to live in one of the new flats when they are finished, but it strikes me as a very low number.
     
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  8. ViolentPanda

    ViolentPanda Hardly getting over it.

    If only someone could alter the "f" in "life" to a "t", it'd be much more appropriate.
     
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  9. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

  10. Greebo

    Greebo 'scuse me, Mrs May, can I have my country back? R.I.P.

    Thanks for that. :)
     
  11. Favelado

    Favelado Oh you've got green eyes.

    Fucking hell. How out of place is that?

    The skate park is finished. It's not just about noise. It's the first time a skater stands anywhere near the front entrance. People "loitering" and upsetting new residents. The park will go within 3 or four years of the block opening.

    Expect local news to have a "battle between skaters and residents" story within 18 months with a patronising piece from the Guardian pretending to take the skaters side.
     
  12. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    I suspect that this development will mark the end of the skate park. I can't imagine that the shiny new shops and the 'active elderly' residents are going to hold back in their complaints about the noise and supposed 'disturbance' from skaters using the park at all hours.

    *edit- I see me and Faveldo have just said the same thing!
     
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  13. Belushi

    Belushi 01 811 8055 R.I.P.

    Who owns the skatepark? valuable piece of undeveloped land that :hmm:
     
  14. Plumdaff

    Plumdaff joy in people

    Queen's Head will be in trouble too I'd imagine.
     
  15. DJWrongspeed

    DJWrongspeed radio eros

    Skaters are a pretty organised bunch. I think there'd be outcry if it was too close. It's very iconic.

    I don't think the block is out of place. It's near the Rec and Blue star house. It's a question of housing for who exactly, does it have any genuine council flats in it?
     
  16. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    There's no council housing at all. Obviously.
     
  17. SpamMisery

    SpamMisery I bet you think this tagline's about you?

    The lot that used the southbank skatepark were very organised and good at getting the issue publicised - a bit different from this park admittedly
     
  18. Manter

    Manter Lunch Mob

    Doesn't this park have a protection thingy or something?

    That was not remotely articulate but I remember reading someone on here was involved
     
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  19. Angellic

    Angellic Well-Known Member

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  20. Manter

    Manter Lunch Mob

    FOSS seems to be the person in the know
     
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  21. FOSS

    FOSS Well-Known Member

    I'm writing about this whole sorry scenario for the Buzz, I'd have finished it but then I saw this and I had a 35 minute phone call with Lambeth today so it's all changed again...

    Lambeth Council own the skatepark. From 78 - 2008 It was simply viewed in their world as a playpark on a council estate. In 2008 Stockwell Park Estate was transferred from the council to Network Housing. The skatepark was supposed to be handed over with it (even though Lambeth had just spend c.250k on it), but it wasn't because for some reason Network were reluctant to take it or Lambeth were reluctant to give it. Either way the two were split then for the first time. One set of title deeds covers the whole estate, another covers the skatepark. The latter was always Lambeths but they forgot about the skatepark for 5 years during which time Network were supposed to manage it (they didn't). It was only when we made enquiries last November that Lambeth realised they did own it, In January this year they accepted that and the skatepark was made an Asset of Community Value. That means they have to give us first refusal on any land sale and more significantly it gives the skatepark some much needed status in these negotiations. We have been assured the funding will be found to fix the surface which has degraded significantly under Networks 5 year tenure as failed caretakers although how and when we do not know at all. We have also been assured the skatepark will be given further status as a Park & Open Space with Lambeth but that apparently needs a report first...
     
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  22. Manter

    Manter Lunch Mob

    Thx for the explanation. What a clusterfuck....
     
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  23. FOSS

    FOSS Well-Known Member

    ' I suspect that this development will mark the end of the skate park. I can't imagine that the shiny new shops and the 'active elderly' residents are going to hold back in their complaints about the noise and supposed 'disturbance' from skaters using the park at all hours.'

    We hope not... We've been in discussion about the new tenants signing a 'deed of easement' which would prevent any complaints of this nature. There is a precedent in the development next to Ministry of Sound. They can't complain about club noise. Other measures like triple glazing and no balconies are in effect in that case too. No pretending the culture won't change but we are on a mission to unsure Lambeth gives it's skateboarding facilities the much overdue respect they deserve.
     
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  24. Favelado

    Favelado Oh you've got green eyes.

    I was going to ask if such a clause could be put in someone's contract but imagined it just never happened in a world where money is everything. That would be the answer if it's possible. Fingers crossed.
     
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  25. FOSS

    FOSS Well-Known Member

    ' I think there'd be outcry if it was too close.'

    It's very much too close. And too big. And totally without consideration. It is either the same distance or closer then the previous 4 storey council blocks and sure must have 100x as many windows facing it. Additionally they are developing the land between the skatepark and the block which served as a green barrier between us and them when them was hardly anyone, most that land which Lambeth simply gave them. It included two mature trees. They are removing this one small green space and replacing it with a concrete plaza and 100 extra flats.
     
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  26. FOSS

    FOSS Well-Known Member

    Thanks, we have one official very keen on making sure it does. Things are a way from completely settled. They have also been asked to consider the skatepark via S106 funding in light of the effect this development will have.
     
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  27. snowy_again

    snowy_again Slush

    Lambeth will probably centralise that S106 funding into their core budget to meet other costs incurred due to central Govt cuts though...
     
  28. sleaterkinney

    sleaterkinney Well-Known Member

    So who owns the freehold on the estate, Lambeth?
     
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  29. FOSS

    FOSS Well-Known Member

    I imagine the estate freehold is still Lambeths but I'd need to check that for sure and I don' have the estate deeds here. Regards the S106 they have been asked to consider this case specifically and asked for a specific sum so in theory at least if that ask is met the funding goes only to the skatepark.

    Full tower horrors here: http://planning-docs.lambeth.gov.uk/AnitePublicDocs/00578040.pdf

    Us here:

    https://friendsofstockwellskatepark.com

    https://twitter.com/skatestockwell

    https://www.facebook.com/friendsofstockwellskatepark

    https://instagram.com/friendsofstockwellskatepark/

    friendsofstockwellskatepark@gmail.com
     
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  30. Angellic

    Angellic Well-Known Member

    I walk past the skatepark all the time. never seem to notice any noise above the traffic. Might be different at the weekend but surely it quietens down at sunset.
     
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