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Massive fight breaks out at Sydney airport: one dead

Football forum's over thataway guys. -->

But football gang violence is clearly a blow agasint international capitalist oppression - so therefore belongs here in world politics.

In fact I reguarly see people knocking lumps out of each other in leeds city on a saturday night - and its just like watching Battleship Potemkin.
 
After all, those that run our societies are far bigger thugs aren't they? I mean, and we're talking australia here, their state sent in loads of fucking massive thugs into iraq to 'keep the peace'. Or, translated, to help destroy a nation and its infrastructure.

The country is run by thugs, war criminals, as you wish, so let's see the citizen variety.

If the state acts like a thug, then don't expect the citizens to be any different.


You live in Thailand, which also sent troops to Iraq, and which is currently brutally suppressing an insurgency in the south.

Australia's certainly got a lot to answer for, historically, but at least they've got freedom of speech, whereas the country you live in imprisons people for criticizing the monarchy.
 
And why should their massive island have any more a fragile ecosystem than any other nation? They're just so pumped full of their own ego it's untrue.

That comment is just ignorant. Australia's an island, its ecosystem developed on its own for millions of years, of course it's fucking fragile.
 
No mate, that was just your judgement.

I actually questioned whether australia had any more a fragile or peculiar ecosystem than any other nation. No evidence required.

But you just read into it what you want. Up to you mate. As long as it fits into your own narrative, no worries eh...?!
if I say the word Rabbits, does it mean anything to you in this context?

if not then you're probably not best qualified to comment on whether or not australias eco system is fragile and needing protection...;)
 
This is worth reading to get an idea about what's going on and what started it:

On a sunny spring day to celebrate families, Sydney lost its innocence forever.FATHER’S Day — 24 hours of picnics, presents, barbeques and beer — a time to say ‘thanks’ to dad for being there.
It is a time when families get together and enjoy each other’s company. And it shouldn’t have been any different on September 2, 1984. Australians were packing their hampers and planning their day, but two groups of former friends were arranging where they would meet to kill each other.

The scene for the showdown: The Viking Tavern at Milperra, Sydney, during a motorcycle swap meet.

And the combatants: the Bandidos and Comancheros bikie gangs. Months of simmering tensions between the two gangs, previously one entity, came to a head and by noon, six men and a 15-year-old girl lay dead on the street.

The post mortem of what is now known as the most cold, brutal clash of Australian motorcycle gangs revealed a horrifying picture.

Before late 1983, there were no Bandidos. The Comancheros were a powerful Sydney-based bikie gang with ever-increasing numbers. But several members of the Comancheros believed their president and “supreme commander”, William ‘Jock’ Ross, was admitting members too quickly, running a parliamentary operation and planning to take over other clubs.

Disgruntled Comancheros left and formed their own club — the Bandidos. On Father’s Day morning a group of Bandidos drove past the home of 24-year-old Comanchero Glen Eaves, informing him that they would be at the Viking Tavern’s bike swap meet “in force”.

Eaves went straight for the phone and soon a posse of Comancheros had arranged to gather for a showdown with the Bandidos at the meet.

The Bandidos arrived to find the Comancheros waiting. But the Bandidos were ready. As they jumped off their bikes and out of their cars, the Bandidos produced various deadly weapons and began to approach.

Exactly what happened next will perhaps always remain a mystery: no biker agreed to testify in court, even at the risk of lifelong jail sentences.

But by the evidence gathered by the police and carnage at the scene, there is no doubt that a full-scale war erupted.

Justice Adrian Roden, who presided over the Milperra Massacre case, concluded: “The battle then began. Bats, bars, guns and at least one knife were used. People screamed, people ran, people hid. Bandidos, Comancheros and bystanders were struck, limbs were broken, people were stabbed, people were shot.

“Minutes later seven lay dead — four Comancheros, two Bandidos and a 15-year-old girl.”

That girl, it was later revealed, was an associate of the Comancheros.

Suddenly Australian bikie gangs had gone under a massive image transformation. They were no longer just tough-looking fellows on Harley Davidsons with tattoos and bushy beards.

They were vicious cold-blooded killers. During the court case, where six men were eventually sentenced to life imprisonment for murder and twenty-one others convicted of manslaughter, Justice Roden, and most Australians, clearly did not understand what bikie gangs were about.

He noted that the defendants’ refusal to testify in court seemed to be a sign of some “odd concept of club loyalty”.

What he did not know that any biker who took the witness stand would probably not have lived through the first week of any prison sentence.

He, like the rest of the country, was only starting to understand the rules, codes and conduct that preside so strictly over groups which, on the surface, seem rag-tag and chaotic.

But soon after Australia awoke. The country learned that bikie gangs were organized criminals, loyal to the end to their gang “brothers” and extremely powerful.

Australia learned that bikers were here to stay.

And a bit more to the recent event:

Hells Angels biker has been killed in a huge brawl at Sydney Airport with rival club the Comancheros, in one of the most brazen attacks in outlaw bikie history.The man, 28, was knocked to the ground during the brawl — involving at least 10 men — and bashed repeatedly in the head with a metal bollard at the airport's terminal three — one of the most monitored public places in Australia.The attack came only hours after the Sydney-based Bandidos had engaged in another night of drive-by shootings at six homes in Auburn, though that is believed to be linked to a feud with an interstate club, Notorious.Several days ago The Age was told the Bandidos planned to fly in members from interstate to deal with the worsening feud with Notorious; it's believed the airport fight involved the new "troops".The man killed, while a Hells Angel, was friendly with the Bandidos and travelled with them. It is believed the attackers were a group of about 10 Comanchero members.Initial police reports suggested the dead man may also have been stabbed.The brawl is believed to be the result of a feud between the Hells Angels and the Comancheros that flared after the bombing of the Angels' Petersham clubhouse in February.While police have long suspected Notorious as being responsible, underworld sources have indicated the Comancheros were behind the attack. That attack led to tension between the clubs and, ultimately, yesterday's murder.NSW Premier Nathan Rees announced he would talk with Police Commissioner Andrew Scipione this morning.Police Minister Tony Kelly promised to "throw every resource" into the investigation of yesterday's violence and foreshadowed new laws to attempt to stifle the clubs' operations.It appears certain that the NSW Government will introduce legislation to deal with the bikie issue.
 
You live in Thailand, which also sent troops to Iraq, and which is currently brutally suppressing an insurgency in the south.

Australia's certainly got a lot to answer for, historically, but at least they've got freedom of speech, whereas the country you live in imprisons people for criticizing the monarchy.
Innit. Thailand also still has the death penalty. For drug smuggling, in fact, among other things.
 
You live in Thailand, which also sent troops to Iraq, and which is currently brutally suppressing an insurgency in the south.

Australia's certainly got a lot to answer for, historically, but at least they've got freedom of speech, whereas the country you live in imprisons people for criticizing the monarchy.

Did you want me to list my complaints about thailand? I can if you want me to. I dislike politicians of all colours and hues.

But in any case, i can't give a hoot about whether i can say anything bad about a king. It has zero impact on my freedom to live my life.

And, you might want to reassess your belief that they have freedom of speech in australia... they're currently doing very badly on that score with regard to the internet.
 
Innit. Thailand also still has the death penalty. For drug smuggling, in fact, among other things.

Yes, and that's a breach of human rights. Same as in the US. In fact the attitude of the authorities in thailand towards drugs is anti-human. Same as in the US. And australia to an extent.
 
But in any case, i can't give a hoot about whether i can say anything bad about a king. It has zero impact on my freedom to live my life.
Your logic is all over the place. So authoritarianism is fine, as long as it is, to you, benign. Again, very insular.
 
You're bonkers. :confused:

And to you mate and all the others who responded in similar fashion to me: understandable, but settle down lads. It's not like the worst crime to have happened. It's no different to a spat between rival mafia gangs.

I just happen to like it when repressive states are seen to fail. And flying into australian airports is just about as repressive as it can get. And this news story from yesterday demonstrates that people can act without the power of the state coming down on them.
 
Your logic is all over the place. So authoritarianism is fine, as long as it is, to you, benign. Again, very insular.

Insular to you, individual to me.

Authoritarianism is never fine to me. Never.

You're making a tough job of judging me here mate!
 
Excuse me while I cave fela's head in with a length of scaff pole. He won't mind though cos it'll be a blinding act of political resistence.
 
I just happen to like it when repressive states are seen to fail. And flying into australian airports is just about as repressive as it can get. And this news story from yesterday demonstrates that people can act without the power of the state coming down on them.
Your defence of such disgusting violence - and the anti-state gibberish you're desperately trying to associate with it - is nothing short of idiotic.
 
Recently? Maybe you're just desensitized to their behaviour.

Coming off the plane, being told to 'hug' the window area so that the dogs can do their sniffing effectively. Being ordered to walk in a certain manner. Seeing blue uniforms, and other colour uniforms. Having your baggage put through an xray machine. Going through supermarket-like check-out desks while coming out of the airport. Being told you have traces of drugs in your baggage. Not allowed to bring in anything that remotely resembles food or wood products, and to bloody well make sure you put it in the bin if you have done so.
That could happen in any airport. And if you travel through an airport with traces of drugs in your baggage, you're an idiot. And if you object to protections to prevent smuggling potentially diseased flora with possible non-indiginous fauna, you can't respect the eco-system of the country you're visiting. In short, you're an idiot.

It's a fucking police state when you arrive on that island. Needs a good bit of anarchy, and that's why i like this story.
The Oz biker gangs are authoritarian, and into mob-rule. This does not fit any definition anarchy outside using the word 'anarchy' as a substitute for 'chaos' which is what the media/state does to bring anarchy into disrepute - and you're playing the same 'game'. Where does this place your supposedly enlightened viewpoint, Fela? In the same camp as those you purport to hate. Essentially, you're a bigoted authoritarian who glorifies senseless violence.
 
I suppose you would have appluaded the NSDAP undermining the Weimar Republic as well fela - all in the name of freedom, sweet juicy freedom.
 
Authoritarianism is never fine to me. Never.
He, like the rest of the country, was only starting to understand the rules, codes and conduct that preside so strictly over groups which, on the surface, seem rag-tag and chaotic.

But soon after Australia awoke. The country learned that bikie gangs were organized criminals, loyal to the end to their gang “brothers” and extremely powerful.
If it looks like a fascist, and acts like a fascist, fela, then it's probably a fascist. Why don't you just admit you've got this one utterly wrong?
 
It's just good to see the state being challenged. To see them not able to use their power to control citizens. To see citizens acting in the way they want to act without being held to account by agents of the state.

Fela you're a fuckwit.
 
Recently? Maybe you're just desensitized to their behaviour.

Coming off the plane, being told to 'hug' the window area so that the dogs can do their sniffing effectively. Being ordered to walk in a certain manner. Seeing blue uniforms, and other colour uniforms. Having your baggage put through an xray machine. Going through supermarket-like check-out desks while coming out of the airport. Being told you have traces of drugs in your baggage.
Sounds like every airport I've ever been in, and like St Pancras International Rail Station.
Not allowed to bring in anything that remotely resembles food or wood products, and to bloody well make sure you put it in the bin if you have done so.
There's very good reasons for that, given Australia's history with introduced species and illnesses.
It's a fucking police state when you arrive on that island. Needs a good bit of anarchy, and that's why i like this story.
All states are "police states" to one extent or another, it's just a matter of how thick the velvet glove is that covers the iron fist.
 
No, i don't. But i like anything that challenges the australian state. They're a law unto themselves.

The bikers haven't "challenged the state", all they've done is committed crimes on private property in defiance of state laws. They could have done so in a public park, or in the outback and they still wouldn't have been "challenging the state", because they're not engaging with the state, which is pretty much a pre-requisite to challenging it.
 
Nah, that would be the british who came in and slaughtered the indigenous population.

And why should their massive island have any more a fragile ecosystem than any other nation?
Many reasons, among them: location, predation by previously introduced species and a regular drought cycle

They're just so pumped full of their own ego it's untrue.
So basically you're prejudiced?
 
Have you ever flown to America?

Oz is fucking bliss in comparison.

And the US has always been a real arse to enter, as far back as I've experienced (mid 70s). At one time I'd almost convinced myself "JFK" stood for "Just Fucking Kunts airport".
 
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