Mass Strike on 24th April

[KeyboardJockey]

Because determination of pay and other conditions of service in the civil service is delegated to the individual department or agency, PCS are legally unable to call a "national" strike across their entire membership without balloting individually. In fact, they did run strike ballots in most areas, but not all. In fact, not all Government Departments are losing jobs, and PCS have not rejected the pay offers in all Government Departments.

Unions accepted ours but none of the staff are happy in my section. I was shocked to see that our budget for the whole organisiton is less than what the govt pays individual consultancy orgs who do less vital work

At a guess, I would say that PCS have only called out those areas where they believe it would have a genuine impact and actually make a difference to what is going on with pay and cuts in that area. I am disappointed that they haven't called out members in some other areas, but perhaps they felt it would be embarrassing to call a strike in a Department where the majority of people are not union members, or are union members who ignore that call to strike, as appears to have happened in your department, according to your analysis.

I reckon you are right. The turn out in my place is so appallingly low that its an embarrassment to the union.

 

[poster342002]

Unions accepted ours but none of the staff are happy in my section.

This is the perverse thing: people are not happy, yet will take absoutely no sort of action to defend themselves even if it is democratically called and balloted for. This is the bit that confounds me over and over again. What are they waiting for? Who do they think is going to solve their problems? Do they think some kind of angel is going to descend and make everything nice for them?

 

[KeyboardJockey]

This is the perverse thing: people are not happy, yet will take absoutely no sort of action to defend themselves even if it is democratically called and balloted for. This is the bit that confounds me over and over again. What are they waiting for? Who do they think is going to solve their problems? Do they think some kind of angel is going to descend and make everything nice for them?

No many of them hold out the hopes that one day they will be management so keep schtum and don' t rock the boat even when Brown is squeezing the vitals out of the organisation.

 

[Guineveretoo]

Unions accepted ours but none of the staff are happy in my section. I was shocked to see that our budget for the whole organisiton is less than what the govt pays individual consultancy orgs who do less vital work

Only if you moved departments from where you were last time you PMed me! Have you? If not, you need to know that the pay was imposed, and that the employer felt able to do that because they knew that, even if the union called a strike, people like you would cross the picket line and, by doing so, undermine the union position and attempts to fight.

I reckon you are right. The turn out in my place is so appallingly low that its an embarrassment to the union.

It is, indeed, an embarrassment. So, why did you cross the picket line when called upon to strike?

 

[Guineveretoo]

No many of them hold out the hopes that one day they will be management so keep schtum and don' t rock the boat even when Brown is squeezing the vitals out of the organisation.

Is that your reason, too?

 

[poster342002]

No many of them hold out the hopes that one day they will be management so keep schtum and don' t rock the boat even when Brown is squeezing the vitals out of the organisation.

Yes, you're probably right. It's a disragceful attitude held by too many people. Stuff the ass-pirational, scabbing lot of them.

They're unhappy in the same way that a herd of wildebeest are unhappy about being chased by a mangy jackal: they all run and hope the jackal mauls the weakest in the group rather than turn as one and trample the jackal apart.

SHAME ON THEM!

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Only if you moved departments from where you were last time you PMed me! Have you? If not, you need to know that the pay was imposed, and that the employer felt able to do that because they knew that, even if the union called a strike, people like you would cross the picket line and, by doing so, undermine the union position and attempts to fight.

Me along with the majority of others sadly.

It is, indeed, an embarrassment. So, why did you cross the picket line when called upon to strike?

Because it was pointless. Nobody else was striking. Why lose money and stuff when only the union officers bother striking.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

Is that your reason, too?

No I just don't see the point of losing money supporting a strike where nobody else does.

 

[poster342002]

It is, indeed, an embarrassment. So, why did you cross the picket line when called upon to strike?

Instead of continually berating kbj over this (who just got sick of striking whilst everyone else scabbed), I wish people would force an answer form the scabbing members in majority-scabbing areas. But nobody seems wiling to confront the issue for some reason.

 

[dennisr]

But nobody seems wiling to confront the issue for some reason.

it like a tag team - statler & walder (spelling?) from the muppets?

virtual emos

*strike thread becomes lost and derailed by the usual suspects - selfish depressives - excusing their cowardice on urban p&p yet again shock*

 

[poster342002]

Seriously, how do you think those people feel who do go on strike in majority-scab departments only to see everyone else scab and then for the union to refuse to admit this is a significant problem? How do you think this makes them feel?

 

[dennisr]

Seriously, how do you think those people feel who do go on strike in majority-scab departments only to see everyone else scab and then for the union to refuse to admit this is a significant problem? How do you think this makes them feel?

fuck off you circle jerk

given how you repeat 'how you feel' on every fucking thread you sad fool - I think the answer is 'we already know - you remind us daily, nay, hourly'

 

[KeyboardJockey]

it like a tag team - statler & walder (spelling?) from the muppets?

virtual emos

*strike thread becomes lost and derailed by the usual suspects - selfish depressives - excusing their cowardice on urban p&p yet again shock*

Come on Dennisr. Even you must be able to see the futility of only 20% max striking? Sometimes it seems worse than that. I don't ever recall a strike at my place where the strike has actively affected the work being done.

Strike when there is more than an ice cube in hells chance of gaining something but when only a handful strike what is the point of going along with it.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

fuck off you circle jerk

given how you repeat 'how you feel' on every fucking thread you sad fool - I think the answer is 'we already know - you remind us daily, nay, hourly'

So you have no answer to how to motivate the unmotivated then?

 

[poster342002]

fuck off you circle jerk

given how you repeat 'how you feel' on every fucking thread you sad fool - I think the answer is 'we already know - you remind us daily, nay, hourly'

Basically - no answer at all whatsoever. Just the usal "see no evil" attitude to it whilst scabbing goes on left right and centre. If anyone sees the elephant, tell them to fuck off and stop spoiling the party.

Got it.

 

[dennisr]

Come on Dennisr. Even you must be able to see the futility of only 20% max striking? Sometimes it seems worse than that. I don't ever recall a strike at my place where the strike has actively affected the work being done.

Strike when there is more than an ice cube in hells chance of gaining something but when only a handful strike what is the point of going along with it.

I can also see the futility of wasting my time going round and round in depressive circles - something you cannot.

its boring - change the record

we all know how hard it is to achieve much. idiots like you two add nothin to the experiance

 

[dennisr]

Basically - no answer at all whatsoever. Just the usal "see no evil" attitude to it whilst scabbing goes on left right and centre. If anyone sees the elephant, tell them to fuck off and stop spoiling the party.

Got it.

no you havent

you are still here moaning on, you attention seeking ejet.

go on fuck off and get some sort of a life

 

[poster342002]

So, no attempt to learn from history - just the usual attempt to avoid discussing it's occurance.

I predict loads of "brilleints" and "massives" on the 25th following embarrsing turnouts on many areas on the 24th. Quickly followed by shreiking denunciations of the few messengers prepared to say what a joke it was.

[holds head in hands and shakes head in abandonment]

 

[dennisr]

So you have no answer to how to motivate the unmotivated then?

that right - that is all i have ever said isn't it? ejet

given the choice though - ie your idea of 'motivation' v what you presume to be mine - i'd pick mine any day

i get the impression that the only thing which would 'motivate' you two sad sacks is a lit stick of dynamite placed under your arse

what do you think this site is - depressive therapy - feck sake. it sounds like you have already bored most of your real life friends away so it all comes down to this.

you go on about how hard working life is for the two of you - but given the amount of time you both spend here, dribbling on bout how hopeless it all is, I really have to ask - do you actually do any work the pair of you???

 

[dennisr]

So, no attempt to learn from history - just the usual attempt to avoid discussing it's occurance.

I predict loads of "brilleints" and "massives" on the 25th following embarrsing turnouts on many areas on the 24th. Quickly followed by shreiking denunciations of the few messengers prepared to say what a joke it was.

[holds head in hands and shakes head in abandonment]

i don't have to predict what you will say - both of your stock in trade excuses for being a useless feck have already been repeated so many times you have scared every sensible fecker away from p&p

- fuck the only solution for me is to do what i imagine most people have done in real life and put you both on ignore, desperate attention seeking ejets

 

[poster342002]

- fuck the only solution for me is to do what i imagine most people have done in real life and put you both on ignore

Like how most of the left put reality on ignore 10 fucking years ago.

 

[dennisr]

i don't have the patience of a fuckin saint

 

[dennisr]

Like how most of the left put reality on ignore 10 fucking years ago.

dribble




cunt

 

[poster342002]

i don't have the patience of a fuckin saint

Neither do I - hence why I am sick of seeing majority-scabbing all my life and nobody doing anything about it because they try to pretend it isn't a significant problem!

 

[dennisr]

Neither do I - hence why I am sick of seeing majority-scabbing all my life and nobody doing anytning about it because they try to pretend it isn't a significant problem!

and you best pal here is a scab

you, you are just a social scab

 

[poster342002]

and you best pal here is a scab

you, you are just a social scab

Now you're just resorting to sub-playground levels of insults.

And what a "social scab" is I've utterly no idea. That's a new one on me. Care to expalin what it is and how I am one?

 

[brix]

Wasn't there a serious discussion on this thread at one point?

 

[dennisr]

Wasn't there a serious discussion on this thread at one point?

apparently...

 

[brix]

apparently...

It was quite interesting. Do you think it's possible to continue.

* waits hopefully*

 

[poster342002]

Wasn't there a serious discussion on this thread at one point?

I think trying to come up with some strategy to deal with fucked-up workplaces that just will not stop scabbing nomatter what's at stake becuase they prefer corporate-ladderclimbing to solidarity while one or two demoralised strikers get really pissed off at the scabbers and the deniers is a serious question .

Fortunately, the left has one:

Pretend it's not happening or important.