Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
May I draw your attention regarding FAQs with regard to the alteration of the posts of others?
mass murder and no general discussion?
- Thread starter e19896
- Start date
May I draw your attention regarding FAQs with regard to the alteration of the posts of others?
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
That happens to be Jewish...
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
It's perfectly reasonable response to your nonsense... tbh...
go ahead report it i can't think of one person who'd actually think that there was any difference in the intent of either post other than the partisan nature that you as one poster supports a murderous land grabbing international law breaking state 100% seems to attach to it...
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
I think what are you insinuating with this post is pefectly apperant...
care to make the claim directly rather than the snide inferrence..
careful now.
The road you walk down is littered with the corpses of fools who have been that way before...
everyone of them wrong.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
It's perfectly reasonable response to your nonsense... tbh...
go ahead report it i can't think of one person who'd actually think that there was any difference in the intent of either post other than the partisan nature that you as one poster supports a murderous land grabbing international law breaking state 100% seems to attach to it...
Partisan Garf? YOU are accusing ME of being partisan?
PMSL.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Grow up Garf.
It isn't a news service it is full of idiots. The odd good article on there but largely shit. Any fool with an idiotic opinion can have a say on it. Hate the way people link to it as though it is some factual thing that can't be disputed against.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
Partisan Garf? YOU are accusing ME of being partisan?
PMSL.
what would you call unequivical support of a countries actions which have been proved to be illegal under international law and also clearly dispropotionate to the threat which is faced...
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
coming form you dear and you sly insinuations...
say the words or retract the statment dear hard...
it's perfectly appearent to anyone who reads it what your intent is...
I think the way some people seem preety much obsessed on Israel as such a big international issue is preety scarey....And i do think the medias obsession with it is partly driven by racism and anti semitism.
How many people have died in Israel/Palestine in the last 5 years compared to Sudan or the Congo?
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
You're so right Sas. The slaves would have been freed way earlier if only they hadn't had those murderous uprisings. The inhabitants of the Warsaw Ghetto brought it on themselves. The occupation of Europe was entirely justified by the terrorism of the resistance groups. Apartheid should never have been ended until the ANC denounced violence and apologised for their appalling behaviour over the years.
Violent resistance is so uncivilised. Oppressed people just need to ask nicely and it'll all get sorted out. Infinite patience is all that's required ...
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
but the figure isn't the past 5 years is it....
it's the past 60 years... name one other conflict (and i can only think of one) where a nationless people have been struggling to establish their home land as mandated by the agreements laid out at the time of establishment of alterneate states which has been going on this long.
Simply put if res 181 declares the creation of both jewish and palestinian states then one cannot simply say that Israel is legitmate and palestine isn't.
nor that the reality is that an occupying force which invaded the land of palestine after being attacked for systemically ethnically cleansing palestinians from areas has any fair recoruse to complain if they then continue the occupation for such and extended period of time. flaunting international calls and resolutiontions to leave, not to build on occupied land and to insigate the legal right of return for those dispossed.
to then slur people with the incorrect terminology for Judeophobia by way of deflecting all critism as Sas and others also have implied merely shows how objectionable you view point really is.
for the last time (i doubt) questioning the legitimacy of Israeli actions doesn't and never will equal Judeophobia... period.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
what would be a decent parallel to you mind then?
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
I notice that Sas once again caught and hung by his own rhetoric doens't return tot he thread to respond ...
cowardly some might say...
cowardly some might say...
Spion
I hear ya
the reason Palestinians are in Gaza (plus the WB and refugee camps elsewhere) is because they were ethnically cleansed from 530 villages and a dozen or more cities and towns in 1948. Gaza is literally a ghetto formed largely of refugees. If anyone had done that to me I'd chuck rockets at them too
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
tbh seeing some of it made me think that it's a bloody marvel and a testiment to the majority of palestinians that there isn't considerably more attacks on a daily basis...
also the current town which is being shelled in occupied land...
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
And what would YOU call unequivocal support for the other side in the conflict?
The point I was making, as you are well aware, is yes, I am partisan on this matter, but so are you.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Get a grip Garf. I was off picking up Mrs Sas from work. I realise that it may come as a dreadful shock to you, but I do have more things to do than wait ' on standby ' for your next post.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
tbh seeing some of it made me think that it's a bloody marvel and a testiment to the majority of palestinians that there isn't considerably more attacks on a daily basis...
also the current town which is being shelled in occupied land...
Why have you failed to point out that those maps are out of date? The situation has changed since then.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Are you saying that we should have some kind of ranking system for oppression? There is some formula based on deaths and injuries and an issue can only be discussed if it's in the top 3 or summat?
There are a number of very good reasons why the Left is "obsessed" with Palestine/Israel.
1. Israel originally had huge support from the Left worldwide and has gradually squandered that goodwill with its actions. See "Disenchantment: the Guardian and Israel" which chronicles that paper's relationship with the country over the last century.
2. Britain and the US have played a huge role in creating and maintaining the situation, actively supporting Israel in carrying out further atrocities. This makes the situation more tractable for activism and also makes people angry enough to want to be bothered to do something.
3. The majority of world Jewry are anti- or a-Zionist. The Left has always had a substantial proportion of Jewish activists, and many are understandably pissed off that Israel has stolen their identity and distorted their history in order to justify atrocities. Much like the Holocaust survivors who told Shamir to quit justifying his warmaking with reference to the Shoah.
4. If you're discussing Sudan or the Congo, you don't tend to get a lot of people jumping in to defend genocide. The endless attempts to justify Israel's actions do tend to cause a disproportionate amount of activist time to be spent on Israel/Palestine.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
you'll of course be posting up links and full quotes to support this fallacious claim won't you....
still trying to insinuate eh?
try even though being shown up repeatdly shown to be a touch bias and too willing to bandy about inferences of Judeophobia... tsk tsk...
no i'm not. please don't judge me by your own poor standards.
Not once would i say there aren't situations which haven't helped the palestinian cause. Abbas and hamas and the infighting which is going on there is certainly a far greater problem than some maxium 200 people firing home made bombs...
however, as all the suicide bombers and rocket squads are children of people who have been subject to utter dissillusionment for the best part of 60 years then i'm preparred to see this as being mitigating to their actions...
whating your friends your family and everyoen you know being attack continiously might make anyone react...
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
You could try explaining why they're not good parallels. I think they're quite apt.
Neutrality between the oppressed and the oppressor is a tricky concept to define.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Garf, that is utter shite. Every post that you have made shows your support for the Palestinian side of the conflict.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
sorry but there is no justification for this appalling aggression whatsoever. you can make all the excuses you want, it does not change the factt, that the palestinians are living like shit ... and are being bombed out of house and home, and forced to break into other countries, for a few rockets that have a habit of not going off and being completely useless ...
A (zionist) mate of mine's uncle lived in one of the border towns and one day a rocket landed on his roof, and it just fell to the ground, and didnt do anything, it didnt even work ... so there you go ... wow, how deadly they are ...
I'm sorry but someone needs to do something! I can't believe the Israeli government justifies this, I know it's not all Israelis ... it makes me want to throw up how they can treat people in this manner! I am Jewish but there is no way i can support israel any more when its doing this! I mean how dare they do this to children, and people who have not done anything wrong, apart from have the misfortune to live in an area that has been radicalised to support hamas terrorists, by Israels own actions ...
since 9/11 there has been a growing threat of anti-semitism, some of it from critics of Israel, some of it just good old fashioned hatred, but how does that equate with what has happened? how many palestinians have died in the last five years, with how many israelis? im sorry but the world has changed since world war 2 and now we're living completely differently!
I'm jewish btw in case anyone accuses me of being anti-semitic. I wonder where our values have gone recently though, I mean we are so willing to do other things for social justice, but not have a problem with Israel ... and Im including myself in this btw, im guilty of this as anyone ...
My mum went to the gaza strip in the 70s and was completely shocked at how they lived, and the situation is obviously a lot worse now! I mean compared to how small Israel is, which is about the size of Wales, look how small Gaza is. Its been going on for years and years and its just getting worse and worse, and nobody does anything, we - the jewish community, and the so-called "civilised" west ... let them get away with their shit ... again and again and again ... how far will they go before someone says that its enough and they have to be stopped? they have to do something and stop makeing these excuses for it!
The history of Israel, how it was set up and how the British ruled it before 1948, is really, REALLY fucking dodgy, you don't even want to go there ... I mean one of the main architects of it was an anti-semite and openly admitted the only reason he was supporting it was because he didn't want to have Jews living in Britian!
I support Israel's right to exist but honestly i mean i don't think many people who don't live in israel, or who don't have relatives there, would be that upset if Israel ceased to exist to be honest. i have relatives there, and i obviously don't want israel to cease to exist as a state, but i think im in a minority in this country. how many people would feel like that, how many people honestly feel that what Israel is doing is justified, when they actually look into the issue properly?
A lot of Jews and Israelis know what is happening is wrong but they have a sense of loyalty towards it, they dont want to say that its wrong because they're scared of promoting something anti-israel or anti-semitic ... they are too scared, or guilty, to criticise it publically, and im not condemning them at all ... because of religious ideas of solidarity ... and i'm not trying to criticise them because that's how i felt until very recently as well ... but i honestly feel now that israels actions promote anti-semitism in the world, as well as bringing shame upon jews, and the entire western world that just sits back and allows this to happen ...
A (zionist) mate of mine's uncle lived in one of the border towns and one day a rocket landed on his roof, and it just fell to the ground, and didnt do anything, it didnt even work ... so there you go ... wow, how deadly they are ...
I'm sorry but someone needs to do something! I can't believe the Israeli government justifies this, I know it's not all Israelis ... it makes me want to throw up how they can treat people in this manner! I am Jewish but there is no way i can support israel any more when its doing this! I mean how dare they do this to children, and people who have not done anything wrong, apart from have the misfortune to live in an area that has been radicalised to support hamas terrorists, by Israels own actions ...
since 9/11 there has been a growing threat of anti-semitism, some of it from critics of Israel, some of it just good old fashioned hatred, but how does that equate with what has happened? how many palestinians have died in the last five years, with how many israelis? im sorry but the world has changed since world war 2 and now we're living completely differently!
I'm jewish btw in case anyone accuses me of being anti-semitic. I wonder where our values have gone recently though, I mean we are so willing to do other things for social justice, but not have a problem with Israel ... and Im including myself in this btw, im guilty of this as anyone ...
My mum went to the gaza strip in the 70s and was completely shocked at how they lived, and the situation is obviously a lot worse now! I mean compared to how small Israel is, which is about the size of Wales, look how small Gaza is. Its been going on for years and years and its just getting worse and worse, and nobody does anything, we - the jewish community, and the so-called "civilised" west ... let them get away with their shit ... again and again and again ... how far will they go before someone says that its enough and they have to be stopped? they have to do something and stop makeing these excuses for it!
The history of Israel, how it was set up and how the British ruled it before 1948, is really, REALLY fucking dodgy, you don't even want to go there ... I mean one of the main architects of it was an anti-semite and openly admitted the only reason he was supporting it was because he didn't want to have Jews living in Britian!
I support Israel's right to exist but honestly i mean i don't think many people who don't live in israel, or who don't have relatives there, would be that upset if Israel ceased to exist to be honest. i have relatives there, and i obviously don't want israel to cease to exist as a state, but i think im in a minority in this country. how many people would feel like that, how many people honestly feel that what Israel is doing is justified, when they actually look into the issue properly?
A lot of Jews and Israelis know what is happening is wrong but they have a sense of loyalty towards it, they dont want to say that its wrong because they're scared of promoting something anti-israel or anti-semitic ... they are too scared, or guilty, to criticise it publically, and im not condemning them at all ... because of religious ideas of solidarity ... and i'm not trying to criticise them because that's how i felt until very recently as well ... but i honestly feel now that israels actions promote anti-semitism in the world, as well as bringing shame upon jews, and the entire western world that just sits back and allows this to happen ...
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Really?
How interesting.
And this is evidence that your are not partisan?
As I have said before, no rockets, no reprisals. Hamas, for whatever reason, is making dialogue impossible.
Again, as I have said before, force will not solve this, unless the UN chooses to occupy the whole area and impose peace.
I do not rate Palestinian lives less highly than Israeli lives, Hamas does though. The actions of Hamas have exacerbated an already bad situation.
Unlike you, I try and view this objectively, albeit from the perspective of a soldier rather than a civilian.
Incidentally Garf, you accused me in an earlier post of being a coward. I have served under fire in NI and in the Falklands, may I have details of your service?
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
No, we didn't. It was of course a completely different situation.
The Israeli government's response is escalating in the face of escalating attack.
Tell me, if you were PM of Israel, would you stand by whilst rockets fell on your population?
Similar threads
