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Martin Oneil? Best young manager ever?

bodach said:
I'm not disputing that. It's the 'young' bit. :)
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Well by my calculations he took Derby to First Division Champions when he was 35 and Notts Forest to the same when he was 42. Won the European Cup with them two years later.

I can't believe I'm actually having to argue that Clough was a better young manager than Dalglish!
 
big eejit said:
Well by my calculations he took Derby to First Division Champions when he was 35 and Notts Forest to the same when he was 42. Won the European Cup with them two years later.

I can't believe I'm actually having to argue that Clough was a better young manager than Dalglish!
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Well if the op defined 'young', we'd know. :)
 
bodach said:
Well if the op defined 'young', we'd know. :)
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He was the same age as Dalglish when he took Derby from nowhere to League Champions. Dalglish carried on Liverpool's success.

Clough showed it was no fluke by doing even better with Forest (again from nowhere). Dalglish quit.
 
big eejit said:
He was the same age as Dalglish when he took Derby from nowhere to League Champions. Dalglish carried on Liverpool's success.

Clough showed it was no fluke by doing even better with Forest (again from nowhere). Dalglish quit.
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Did someone say Brighton? Leeds? Relegation? :confused:
 
Dalglish also inherited a squad structure from Shankly, Paisley and Fagan. Neither Derby nor Nottingham Forest had that with Clough.
 
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35 years old. Still only in his second full season as manager. Promotion at Wembley, FA Cup quarter finals, still in with a shot of a second successive promotion. Quietly spoken, doesn't mouth off, does things the right way and a credit to our club.

Wouldn't swap him for anybody :)
 
JTG said:
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35 years old. Still only in his second full season as manager. Promotion at Wembley, FA Cup quarter finals, still in with a shot of a second successive promotion. Quietly spoken, doesn't mouth off, does things the right way and a credit to our club.

Wouldn't swap him for anybody :)
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wot he said. (36 though)
 
bodach said:
Never lasts.
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You can say that but you don't appreciate the complete mess our club had subsided into when he took over. What he's done is miraculous, the despondency surrounding the club has evaporated in no time at all. He may hit rocky times at some point but the way in which he has taken us from dire 0-0s at home to Rochdale to Trophy finals, Play Off finals and Cup quarter finals in front of tens of thousands of our fans is simply unbelievable.

:)
 
JTG said:
You can say that but you don't appreciate the complete mess our club had subsided into when he took over. What he's done is miraculous, the despondency surrounding the club has evaporated in no time at all. He may hit rocky times at some point but the way in which he has taken us from dire 0-0s at home to Rochdale to Trophy finals, Play Off finals and Cup quarter finals in front of tens of thousands of our fans is simply unbelievable.

:)
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It's only a job.
 
martin o neil walks on water, and is the best manager around, he is much better than mourihno. but that is just my opinion.
 
O'Neill's a quality manager, what he did at Wycombe taking them from non league to what is now called League 1 was outstanding, and he did a great job at Leicester and Celtic and he's turned Villa into a side that's genuinely capable of challenging the tedious hegemony of the "Big 4", but he's hardly young, this is currently the best young manager in Britain

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Bill Shankly, Liverpool

As a player

# 1933-34 - Division 2 runners-up
# 1936-37 - F.A. Cup finalist
# 1937-38 - F.A. Cup winner
# 7 international caps for Scotland

As a manager: ( Liverpool )

# 1961-62 - Division 2 champions
# 1963-64 - Division 1 champions
# 1964-65 - F.A. Cup Winners
# 1965-66 - Division 1 champions, European Cup-Winners-Cup finalists
# 1968-69 - Division 1 runners-up
# 1970-71 - F.A. Cup finalists
# 1972-73 - Division 1 champions, UEFA Cup winners
# 1973-74 - F.A. Cup winners, Division 1 runners-up

Then:

Bob Paisley

As a Player:

1938-39 - FA Amateur Cup with Bishop Auckland
1946-47 - League Champions with Liverpool


As a Manager:

1975-76 - League Champions, UEFA Cup
1976-77 - League Champions, European Cup, FA Cup finalists
1977-78 - European Cup, European Super Cup, League Cup finalists
1978-79 - League Champions
1979-80 - League Champions
1980-81 - European Cup, League Cup
1981-82 - League Champions, League Cup
1982-83 - League Champions, League Cup

( all above with Liverpool )

In addition to the above honours, Bob Paisley's Liverpool also finished as league runners-up twice,
won the Charity Shield on 5 occasions,reached 2 F.A. Cup semi finals and 1 League Cup semi final.

During Paisley's reign, Liverpool set an all-time record of 85 home games unbeaten, in all competitions. This run included 63 league matches, also a league record, and stretched over 3 years from January 1978 to January 1981.
 
Shankly achieved fuck all at Carlisle, Workington, Grimsby and Huddersfield.

Rubbish.
 
totally irrelevant to the point.

Well, it's better than just saying the two best manager in British football, from the figures you can see for yourself...That's if you understand a table of figures,

But, it makes the point.
 
The other good manager... whilst we are considering the most prolific, the most rated and actually winning the least..but What does make a good manager?, the best smile? the least transfers? the highest wage?

I thought it was about winning, another candidate, Jock Stein
 
Descartes said:
totally irrelevant to the point.

Well, it's better than just saying the two best manager in British football, from the figures you can see for yourself...That's if you understand a table of figures,

But, it makes the point.
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shankly won fuck all until he was almost 50.

Record from 36 to 46 years old:
Carlisle - fuck all
Grimsby - fuck all
Workington - fuck all
Huddersfield - fuck all

This is relevant to discussion of the best young managers ever but not in the way you think :)
 
Oh dear, the simpletons are out.... Martin O'Neil is not a young manager and as far as actual achievements go... well, not a lot outside of SPL.

His impact on the premier league is muted. Then the successful managers,.... just goes to proves that age seems to help with success.

Chris Coleman, for example, at Fulham ... well, then the Spanish club.. and now back in the brit league. But, winning... not a lot.

I can understand the 'London Calling' nic, calling all the kin idiots.
 
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