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Marquis of Lorne: what a beaut of a pub!

Orang Utan said:
Are you taking the piss?
One visit and you want it to change?
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I want it to survive and be able to compete with more successful boozers.

My opinion on what they should do won't make a tad of difference, but I believe I've every right to make what I believe are helpful suggestions.

What's your ideas?
 
christonabike said:
Sofa's and coffee machines, haha, no need, it's great as it is
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Well, it's clearly not that 'great' because there's barely anyone there and I don't imagine it's exactly hauling in new customers.

If it can survive with the handful of drinkers it's got, then that's fantastic, but given the choice I'd rather see a few small changes made than see the pub join the growing list of pubs closed in the area. What's so wrong with that? I'm not asking for it to be gentrified in any way at all.

Perhaps you aren't aware of how many pubs exactly like the Marquis of Lorne have closed in the last 5 years. Why do you think this place is any different?
 
editor said:
I want it to survive and be able to compete with more successful boozers.

My opinion on what they should do won't make a tad of difference, but I believe I've every right to make what I believe are helpful suggestions.

What's your ideas?
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From what I've seen of it, it should stay exactly as it is. It's still open isn't it? I certainly wouldn't be asking a landlord to install a coffee machine in a pub!
 
Fact of the matter is pubs are declining and declining in popularity. I was reading some pub trade magazine last year (was just hanging around on a bar counter), and there was an article on 'future of the public house' article in it, with interviews with a range of landlords. Most of them reported falling profits and falling customer numbers. The numbers bear this out - pubs close every day. The only upbeat landlord was one who'd aggressively upmarketed his pub, got in fancy expensive drinks, a proper chef and expensive food menu, and paid entry theme nights on weekends. He appeared to be raking it in. It really does seem like the 'old fashioned boozer' is not a financially viable business these days. This means that the only ones that will survive will be those with fiercely loyal regulars (and new regulars coming on board) or a captive customer base (ie. no where else to go)

The Margquis is a fantastic old boozer, but it will have to stop being a fantastic old boozer if it wants to survive. By which point it will cease to be anything special at all. What a sad situation :(
 
For me though, the attraction of pubs like these are that they haven't adapted to blend in with the bland of the chain pubs.
 
Crispy said:
The Margquis is a fantastic old boozer, but it will have to stop being a fantastic old boozer if it wants to survive. By which point it will cease to be anything special at all. What a sad situation :(
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But it wouldn't if people didn't try and change it would it? :)
 
Orang Utan said:
From what I've seen of it, it should stay exactly as it is. It's still open isn't it?
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That's what you could have said about The Angel, the Plough, the Hamilton, The Two Woodcocks, The Queen, King of Sardinia about five years ago. All within a mile or do of the Marquis and where are they now? All shut.

Oh, and some pubs have served coffee for decades. It's hardly a revolutionary concept or something that's going to instantly change the character of a pub.
 
zenie said:
But it wouldn't if people didn't try and change it would it? :)
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Well, that's kind of my point. As far as I can tell, people who want this sort of social venue are a shrinking population. So yes there is demand, and I'm sure it can be concentrated to 'save' the odd pub or two, the wider trend in the country is heading in the other direction.
 
editor said:
Do you think it will just carry on forever if it stays exactly the same then?
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I'm not critcising you at all, so don't take it as an attack at you please.

All I'm saying is you can't moan about a pub not having this or that, and then when it gets those everyone says its not a 'proper' boozer, what do you want in ther next, wi-fi?
 
Orang Utan said:
Coffee in a pub? I've never seen anyone drinking coffee in a pub. Mind you, I'm not a very observant person
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What? There's loads of pubs that serve coffee. Even the Albert serves coffee and has done for quite a while. So does the Dogstar. And the Prince and probably quite a few other pubs in the area.

I've occasionally drunk coffee in pubs for years on end all over the UK.
 
With a coffee machine, sofas, and turned down lighting it wouldn't be the same pub, it'd be the Landor



[QUOTEPerhaps you aren't aware of how many pubs exactly like the Marquis of Lorne have closed in the last 5 years. Why do you think this place is any different? ][/QUOTE]

Yes, I am aware, having lived here for quite a while

You can be quite patronising sometimes

:)
 
editor said:
What? There's loads of pubs that serve coffee. Even the Albert serves coffee and has done for quite a while. So does the Dogstar. And the Prince and probably quite a few other pubs in the area.

I've occasionally drunk coffee in pubs for years on end all over the UK.
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I quite like pubs serving teas and coffee. Seems like quite a lot of pubs have them and never seem to have them in operation though? :confused::rolleyes::D
 
zenie said:
All I'm saying is you can't moan about a pub not having this or that, and then when it gets those everyone says its not a 'proper' boozer, what do you want in ther next, wi-fi?
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I don't think any of the things I suggested would change its character in any meaningful way.

And I certainly haven't suggested - or wanted -wi-fi/DJs/sound systems or any of that other style bollocks in there. I like the fact that it's a traditional pub, but I'd say that if it carries on in the same way, there's a very good chance it'll soon become an ex-traditional pub and that would be a crying shame. But I could be wrong and maybe it will manage to survive unchanged forever as some seem to thunk it will - in which case, fantastic!

I'll tell you what the pub really reminded me of though: The Hamilton. :(
 
Could be a venue for a future South Central drinks meet. Is it big enough?

Looks like it's the sort of pub that I'd stop going to if it changed though.
 
editor said:
I don't think any of the things I suggested would change its character in any meaningful way.

And I certainly haven't suggested - or wanted -wi-fi/DJs/sound systems or any of that other style bollocks in there. I like the fact that it's a traditional pub, but I'd say that if it carries on in the same way, there's a very good chance it'll soon become an ex-traditional pub and that would be a crying shame. But I could be wrong and maybe it will manage to survive unchanged forever as some seem to thunk it will - in which case, fantastic!

I'll tell you what the pub really reminded me of though: The Hamilton. :(
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See you can't win either way!!! :D
 
Crispy said:
Well, that's kind of my point. As far as I can tell, people who want this sort of social venue are a shrinking population. So yes there is demand, and I'm sure it can be concentrated to 'save' the odd pub or two, the wider trend in the country is heading in the other direction.
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I think the kind of people who want this kind of pub are either old-timers who are dwindling and don't spend a lot of money, or people who don't visit their local very often (I would say I'm in the latter group - I only go to the pub once every month, maybe twice a month)
 
Orang Utan said:
Quite - a Catch 22 situation
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Yep. And too far away from my house to be my actual proper local.

There isn't really a pub near enough to my house to even be my local though. Maybe the Duke of Sutherland but I hear that looks like it was shut when it was supposed to be open- not a good sign.
 
Onket said:
Yep. And too far away from my house to be my actual proper local.

There isn't really a pub near enough to my house to even be my local though. Maybe the Duke of Sutherland but I hear that looks like it was shut when it was supposed to be open- not a good sign.
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There are they're just too rough for you! ;):D
 
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