no its deliberate piss take out of so called political rad comedians who do a bit of politics to the liberal gallery get a book or two published who i hav ealready had a run in with toynbes publisher on urban so if your gona promote steels book have th eballs to say BUY IT NOW but then thats not your style prefering insinuations as you do
Mark Steel - What's Going On?
- Thread starter PaulOK
- Start date
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What, like you may work for MI5? That sort of stuff?
ya like totally 
mi5 are coming to get you for your autographed copy of mark steels latest book
mi5 are coming to get you for your autographed copy of mark steels latest book
Udo Erasmus
Well-Known Member
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluto_Press
States it was set up by members of the International Socialists, but in '79 became firmly independent.
The two people, Richard Kuper and Michael Kidron (who developed a key idea of the IS tendency the theory of the permanent arms economy) who were heavilly involved in Pluto Press, as I understand it moved away from the IS/SWP when it turned to a more leninist, democratic centralist structure both being more libertarian. Kidron I think left quite early, Kuper left around the time the IS became the SWP.
Udo Erasmus
Well-Known Member
Mark Steel is free to write what he likes, though it does concern me slightly that he is serialising in a bourgeois newspaper and giving succour to the class enemy - left liberals - who hate revolutionary socialism for very different reasons to some on here.
The Black Hand
Unclean
£££££££££$$$$$$$$$£$£$£$£$££$$$£$£$£$£$£$£$£$£$£$£
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Kidron blatently 'took' the idea of the permanent arms economy from Schatman's group. See Higgins on this (and also the slogan neither washington nor moscow
Hired any union busters lately?
The Black Hand
Unclean
Have you?
Udo Erasmus
Well-Known Member
I think Marcel Duchamp said that if you have one original idea in your lifetime count yourself lucky. Trotsky was influenced in his theory of permanent revolution by a guy called Parvus. There was a whole book written arguing that Freud was not the inventor of the theory of the "unconscious" but that it had been floating around for years.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Wow thanks for the Parvus tip - i really had no idea.
imposs1904
Thread Killa'
three pages devoted to mark steel lets end it hear for the sake of sanity
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The bloke's been writing for The Independent for years. Now it's an issue?
These wounds run deep
respect after the 2004 elections said:
Udo Erasmus
Well-Known Member
The bloke's been writing for The Independent for years. Now it's an issue?
I have no prob with Steel writing for the Independent, or Pilger writing for the Daily Mirror, or whatever. The only point I was making is that the middle class left liberals dislike the SWP for different reasons and motivations than many of the people on here, so ridiculing them in that context is giving succour to those who hate the very politics that presumably Steel would presumably still claim to espouse. But it's not that big a deal.
But it is no boon to get favourable reviews from Tribune or the New Statesman or whatever.
Very VERY embarrassingly loud laugh in quiet office. Thanks for that
I'm ordering a copy - it sounds like it's as good if not better than Reasons which I loved.
Saw his French Revolution show in Erith as well. Didnt stop laughing once. Fucking brilliant.
My union branch secretary is always trying to get me to be a member of the SWP but I have always refused and felt bad/guilty about it, but then someone from the party will talk to me about an issue with such utterly astounding one-sided certainty that I feel like I'm doing the right thing. And I agree that is not tantamount to The Right thing!
Very VERY embarrassingly loud laugh in quiet office. Thanks for that
I'm ordering a copy - it sounds like it's as good if not better than Reasons which I loved.
Saw his French Revolution show in Erith as well. Didnt stop laughing once. Fucking brilliant.
My union branch secretary is always trying to get me to be a member of the SWP but I have always refused and felt bad/guilty about it, but then someone from the party will talk to me about an issue with such utterly astounding one-sided certainty that I feel like I'm doing the right thing. And I agree that is not tantamount to The Right thing!
I am only certain of one thing....as Marx said his maxim was 'doubt all'
now, how about joining the SWP?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
gosh, you're so generous. You're not going to hunt him down and have him shot then!
Do you deliberately try to sound like a complete arse, or is it just an accidental benefit?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
when did he say that?
Udo Erasmus
Well-Known Member
genuinely accidental, I didn't express myself very well. I meant I have no problem with Steel attacking the SWP in print, it's his right, and life is more healthy for people having opinions and expressing them. In fact, as an ex-member of the SWP I'm quite interested to read his take on things, though, to be honest, I think he hadn't been an activist (outside of his journalism and comedy) for quite awhile.
It just makes me uneasy, for example, to hear that Steel does a gig and gets some laughs at the expense of his former comrades, 'cos it's a little ungracious, and if you're playing to a mainstream audience there are more important targets for comedy than mocking a small socialist group (it is afterall very easy to mock the far left), I don't really like the idea of left-liberals whose politics I detest getting satisfaction from the mockery of a marxist organisation, but then again our fairy godfather Lenin did say, "The reactionaries will pick up the crumbs from our table".
Anyway, I'm really not that fussed about this, it was just a vague emotion.
PaulOK
Robin DiAngelo is my co-pilot
gosh, you're so generous. You're not going to hunt him down and have him shot then! QUOTE]
Not this side of the revolution
In the spring of 1865
Actually this was an answer given to a 'Confession' - that is a Victorian past time involving answering a questionnaire. His motto he said was "De omnibus dubitandum" - "doubt everything" from Descartes
aah, but he was permanently pissed then....
Rene Descartes was a drunken fart "I drink therefore I am".....
audiotech
wav, aiff, mp3, ogg, flac
True, you can also go ultra and off the scale, like mk12, but there again he was expelled.
Tis fun.
Fisher_Gate
Active Member
Some even become democratic revolutionary socialists.
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
You mean, 'pussies'?
audiotech
wav, aiff, mp3, ogg, flac
Neither you, nor anyone else has been able to provide evidence of me calling anyone a 'nazi' on here.
Similar threads
