Discussion in 'music, bands, clubs & festies' started by trashpony, Jan 24, 2018.
This would have been around 86/87. Cheers for the reply.
Hiya. Yeah, you can map the geographical progress of Mcr house north towards the city centre from Moss Side youth clubs to The Reno to The Gallery & onto The Hacienda. Dave Haslam starts playing with Stu Allan at The Gallery & brings that sound into the Hac - it's a retrospective simplification, but there's truth to it. I was too young (& frankly too soft) for The Reno - it was a blues with a very local crowd, & I wasn't local.
And yeah, Marcus Intalex was key. But between him & Gerald there's a fairly dead twenty years, filled with Hacienda nostalgia, Joy Division necrophilia, & a bit of niche techno.
I'm sure I've posted this before, but it's the best recording I've seen of that mid-late 80s buzz.
Spoiler: Foot Patrol in 86
Sure it has been posted before but can't be bothered going through the eight pages.
You managed to conclude that he was knuckle dragging EDLer without knowing about his politics?
No, i stated that on the evidence of the interview i just watched, he was. I said in my reply to you that i knew nothing about his politics. It's all there to see.
What exactly was EDL about it?
And you're getting all of his politics from a 5 minute vid, a good portion of which is about the music.
Did you watch the interview? If you overheard someone talking like that what would you think? I merely said that he sounded a long way from the genius in that clip, and i stand by that. I also said that i know nothing about his politics. What don't you get about that?
I think it was a <1 minute clip of a drunk, known contrarian, going on a bit of a spiel (a stupid one). Trying to get a grasp of someones politics from something equivalent to that is stupid.
And you didn't just say he sounded a long way from a genius you called him "a bog standard, knuckle-dragging E.D.L-er." and that he was "on the Sun/Mail offensive".
I remember a line from an interview with Mark E Smith about getting lumped in with the Manchester scene. Something along the lines of, "we're not one of these miserable fucking Manchester bands, we're a nice happy Salford band."
Been looking at vids on you tube of the band live .....Its left me perplexed ........ just don't get it .......which ,musically for me ,may be a first......
It's clear what you'd think.
This is exactly what has pushed people away from mainstream politics. If someone says "why is it only the young men who come? Why do they leave their families behind?" then they're automatically a bog standard, knuckle-dragging EDLer. Those are the only two options: your views on immigration, or EDL.
Can you see how that alienates swathes of people?
Point two: This has nothing to do with whether MES was a musical or lyrical genius. The evidence for that lies in his recorded legacy.
For the record, I personally support freedom of movement for the working class and, ultimately, open borders. But I don't see that as a goal that can be pinned to lampposts out of context.
I would under Socialism. It deserves some critique under Capitalism. Anyway this isn’t the thread for it.
This all sounds a bit like bitter Manure shite because he was a Citeh fan to me. Two feet in as always. He makes an point worthy of consideration not a straight armed salute you daft cunt
MES had some willfully ignorant, twatty contrarian opinions.
He also was a great poet and charismatic performer and made the Fall one of the most important bands in UK music.
These statement are not mutually exclusive.
Thread needs more psychotic genius.
The tales of fisticuffs here amuse me a bit. My brother met him once, in that brother was driving around a Glasgow group called "Hugh Reed and the Velvet Underpants". All having got there in time, brother sitting in wherever gig was alone with a drink and a book. MES went over to brother, saying:
"are you with the band?"
Brother: Nah, I'm only the driver
MES: Did you get them all to the right place on time with all instruments without anyone splitting on the way, and all just about sober/straight enough to play the gig? If so, don't say "only" the driver.
Brother: haha, nice of you to say so. But that big mate of yours is staring over here in a serious sort of way. If he's upset, shouldn't you go back and chat with him?
MES: Oh don't mind him.
Brother: But I sort of DO mind when in a strange place and a big bloke is glaring at me.
MES: Don't mind him. He minds me, and you don't have to mind him.
Brother: (paraphrased) Eh? What? You've lost me.
Either light slowly dawned or MES introduced himself. Then several drinks were drunk and smokes smoked.
I'm now wondering whether his minder/bodyguard/whatever was there to stop anyone thumping MES, or to stop MES thumping other people.
And it was that one minute of interview i meant, it surprised me to hear him talk that way was all i meant.
I make a point of something i thought odd based on a section of an interview, and you base a reply on my avatar? Who's the daft cunt, you daft cunt.
Yes i get this, and yes, it makes sense. In my first post i made it clear that i knew nothing about him or his music, and my post was based around that one interview. His opinions on refugees surprised me TBH, took me by surprise.
Awesome just awesome
Really into this one at moment
My own small tribute....
Mark Edward Smith – Hello I’m Mark E Smith
The Fall – Crap Rap
Shrag – Mark E Smith
Gorillaz – Glitter Freeze (feat Mark E Smith)
Phuture – Acid Tracks (M.E.S reads the football results mash up by Galgo23)
The_Fall – Theme from Sparta FC #2
Inspiral Carpets – I want You
Artmitage Shanks – Me and Yer Granny on Bongos
BLANEY Feat Mark.E.Smith - POISON FISHES
The.Fall - Container Drivers (Peel Session)
DENI (TIMEKODE) - CHEAP SPACE CHANT feat. the Mk E Unit
Mouse on Mars – Cut the Gain (feat M.E.S)
Long Fin Killie - The Heads Of Dead Surfers feat Mark E Smith
Sonic Youth – Rowche Rumble
Static Bizarre & The Number Seven – Ghost in My House
Jeffrey Lewis – The Legend of The Fall
The-Fall – C.R.E.E.P
Elastica feat Mark E Smith – KB
John Cooper Clarke – It Man
Coldcut – (I’m) in Deep feat Mark Edward Smith
The F@ll – Kimble (peel session)
Terry Edwards – Totally Wired
THƎ FaLL – A Day in the Life
We Are Creosote – The Smurfs Vs Mark E Smith
Blaney featuring Mark E. Smith - Time for You to Go
Barbara Manning – Mark E Smith & Brix
The Fa˩˩ - New Face in Hell
John Doran – Worse than Savage
The.FALL. – Reformation (live at Hammersmith Palais)
Cheers @Nanker Phelge listening right now
RIP MES. We were lucky to have seen such an acerbic, quintessentially working class voice. It's a shame that so much talk since his passing has focused on the drink and speed, and not on his unique talent.
Rip to the old sod.
Played a few tunes in his honour at work.
Haha, you're not alone mate, thought they were tripe, all this 'genius, voice of the w/c', nah.
Thanks for that Nanker Phelge. Lots of stuff I'd not heard before. I like the Jeffrey Lewis one.
I keep finding myself listening to this one the last couple of days. No-one else is ever going to be like this again are they?
Fuck knows what he's on about but tight as fuck band.
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