Marion Jones admits she is a cheat
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Kizmet said:Why? Have you been taking testosterone too?
I'll just keep setting them up, while you continue knocking them out of the park!
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JonH, Marian is no one's scapegoat. She is a formidable liar and a practiced cheat who has gone to outrageous lengths to cover up her wrong doing. And its lazy to say "they are all at it."
Louloubelle
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Melinda said:
is it true though?
I heard that is is
Dirty Martini
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Her performance in front of the courthouse was pretty nauseating, like a bizarre inverted Oscar-acceptance speech. The special pleading, the 'don't be too hard on me because I was stupid'. Is she sorry? I think she's sorry she got caught.
I think she should return the prize money, but she's skint, so that's unlikely to happen. Ho hum.
I think she should return the prize money, but she's skint, so that's unlikely to happen. Ho hum.
Louloubelle
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It must be pretty sickening for the others who should have won the prize money but didn't
however was it because they were just not so good at taking performance enhancers?
however was it because they were just not so good at taking performance enhancers?
Dirty Martini
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There have to be athletes taking banned substances who are doing so simply because others are, and they have no confidence in those others being caught. It's a pretty shabby approach, but not untypical of the warping of, let's call it morality, that goes on in closed circles of people who feel that their talent or profession places them beyond the, let's call them values, of those circles.
Not that it really matters, but it should be pointed out that banned substances will not turn a poor athlete into a world beater, but can make the difference between world class and world beater. Such are the pressures of a sport whose financial rewards are far in excess of what they were 20 years ago, and which require a single-minded and lonely dedication that borders on the freakish.
Not that it really matters, but it should be pointed out that banned substances will not turn a poor athlete into a world beater, but can make the difference between world class and world beater. Such are the pressures of a sport whose financial rewards are far in excess of what they were 20 years ago, and which require a single-minded and lonely dedication that borders on the freakish.
Johnny Canuck3
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Orang Utan said:
Sort of level the playing field, like.
Johnny Canuck3
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Melinda said:
I expect that most european countries could, not to mention china. Also, these drugs aren't secret; they can be bought by anyone with the money.
Johnny Canuck3
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Melinda said:
All things being equal, we have to assume that at least some american marathoners use performance drugs: yet they're unable to compete with barefoot Kenyans etc.
Johnny Canuck3
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Melinda said:Lots of activities are pointless!
I just love athletics; at its best its truly beautiful. They have a body, just like you and I, but just look what they can do! What seperates them from us is determination and motivation.
...and genetics.
MysteryGuest
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people are silly.
MysteryGuest
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you're still silly though. 
We've all seen very average athletes do well nationally and internationally and mostly it has been the willingness to get up and train that hour earlier, the willingness to move to a new city/country to access better facilities and coaches that has hauled them into the word class league.Johnny Canuck2 said:
LLB- I dare you to front up to Darren Campbell and tell him that everybody is at it
Johnny Canuck3
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Melinda said:
I think it's generally accepted that at the elite levels of most every sport, the top players are different from most people, right from the get-go.
For instance, I read that Lance Armstrong possesses a circulatory system that's one in a million. His heart is super efficient; even without the arduous training that he does, it's estimated that he'd be more fit in a cardiovascular way than 99% of people.
Training will get you a long way, but without the right genes, you won't become a top performer.
butchersapron
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Jazzz said:
Yep, you're probably right. That's the hole she's dug for herself though.
Marian Jones will probably go on tour telling everyone the dangers of drugs in sport. And, get paid loads of money. If she makes the right noises and helps dispadvantaged children, a couple of years and she could be running again.
The dustbins at the Australian Olympics had more hyperdermics than any thing else, second was condoms,
I was chatting to a Brit middle distance runner and the topic of drugs came up, her comment was she had more respect for her body, never won anything but enjoyed the travel, meeting people and the sport.
She had a small contribution from Nike but didn't like the shoes they supplied... Oh well,
The dustbins at the Australian Olympics had more hyperdermics than any thing else, second was condoms,
I was chatting to a Brit middle distance runner and the topic of drugs came up, her comment was she had more respect for her body, never won anything but enjoyed the travel, meeting people and the sport.
She had a small contribution from Nike but didn't like the shoes they supplied... Oh well,
the American will inevitably be stripped of her Sydney medals since it falls within the IOC's eight-year statute of limitations for drug offences.
Normally, those athletes who finished behind her in Sydney would expect to be elevated one place on the podium, but the nightmare facing the IOC is that the runner-up behind Jones in the 100 metres was Thanou, who was responsible for one of the biggest doping scandals in Olympic history at the Athens Games four years later.
Oh dear
Normally, those athletes who finished behind her in Sydney would expect to be elevated one place on the podium, but the nightmare facing the IOC is that the runner-up behind Jones in the 100 metres was Thanou, who was responsible for one of the biggest doping scandals in Olympic history at the Athens Games four years later.
Oh dear
spacemonkey
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Jazzz said:
Have they?
Johnny Canuck3
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Gingerman said:
Well, elite athletes, anyway.
Johnny Canuck2 said:
We ARE making the distinction between 'althletes' and sportspeople, aren't we.
Just being physically pre-disposed to something doesn't mean you're good at it.
I'm not a big fan of athletics, to be honest - I couldn't give a fuck who can run the fastest over a certain distance... or jump the highest or throw the farthest.
There's none of the creativity or artistry that you get in a competative sport....
... and that's when physical attributes and steroid enhancement can be counterbalanced by a quick mind and a creative imagination.
Beautiful.
Johnny Canuck3
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Kizmet said:
No, but there's an inner peace and inner knowledge that comes from some athletic type endeavours, that doesn't come from competitive sport.
Johnny Canuck3
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Kizmet said:
The good thing about athletics, is that the real competition is with yourself. That's where the learning can happen.
Johnny Canuck2 said:
I think that's right, but I also think London Calling is spot-on that the whole thing has just become a business which really undermines that - the financial incentive to win and break records is so great.
And realistically, without drugs, how much longer can people keep getting better. We're not evolving fast enough to be breaking new records every year - the only way we do that is by investing more money in the science of sport - the most effective training, diet, etc etc. And the fine line between supplements you can take legally and those you can't....which it seems is very easy to cross.
