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The Old Sarge
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nino_savatte said:
lol More to the point, most Americans (from my experience) don't have a real clue about most of history, be it world history or US history. Our schools stopped teaching it years ago. And with the current round of flag-waving "patriotism" and magnetic car ribbons ad nauseum, most are too busy and inflated to find out.
Sad to say about my own countrymen, huh?
The Old Sarge
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
The Old Sarge said:
I can remember doing US History in high school in the 70's but to be perfectly honest it was all about remembering dates and events by rote and nothing else. I don't think it was even the teacher's specialism. I had read history on my own, that's the sad fact.
Did American schools really stop teaching history or did the teaching of the subject fall by the wayside? Or worse, as is often the case, did it become a political football?
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Having just seen the program on C4 about Chang and Halliday's book I definately can't be arsed with the thing. Mao killed everybody personally 
no mention of the system or anything.
no mention of the system or anything.Don't forget the outside interference by the usual suspects
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Don't forget the outside interference by the usual suspects in the creation of one of the most evil, murderous regimes in history.
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Don't forget the outside interference by the usual suspects in the creation of one of the most evil, murderous regimes in history.
His colleagues, and those who have been touched by his series of books about China and about his life in the country, will undoubtedly be moved at the ceremony remembering the unique man who witnessed and documented all the dramatic events that shaped the modern and contemporary history of China.
Veteran Journalist Remembered for His Unique Insight on China
Tomorrow at the Babaoshan Revolutionary Cemetery in Beijing, hundreds, if not thousands, of journalists and people from all walks of life will pay their last respects to a special Chinese son, who was also a Jew and life-long journalist of more than 70 years.
He is Israel Epstein (1915-2005), who died last Thursday in Beijing.
Israel Epstein
"Eppy was an intellectual, a serious scholar with a wide range of interests," said Sidney Shapiro, an American lawyer and writer who became a Chinese citizen in 1963, in an interview with China Daily.
"But what he accomplished in his long and fruitful life was predicated essentially on his heart. No one loved China more, no one was more devoted to the cause of the Chinese revolution," Shapiro said.
Sidney Shapiro
[...]
In 1939, he published his first book on China, "The People's War," expounding on the sacrifice, the suffering and the bravery of the Chinese in the face of Japanese aggression to a world still ignorant of it.
The book was published by Victor Gollancz in London, who had released Snow's Red Star Over China.
[...]
Epstein in those days of 1949, along with his wife, Elsie Fairfax Cholmeley, were in the United States themselves, trying to "help Americans who opposed policies that flew in the face of unfolding reality," Epstein recalled in his My China Eye memoirs of a Jew and a Journalist, published by the Long River Press recently in San Francisco, the United States.
[...]
http://www.china.org.cn/english/culture/130766.htm
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redsquirrel
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I think it's a lot worse than that. Read his first post again, Protocols of Zion territory.
nino_savatte
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redsquirrel said:
Looks like it doesn't it?
The Old Sarge
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nino_savatte said:
Sad as it is to admit, even when I was in high school (mid 60s), good history teachers were hard to find. As you said, most demanded you memorize lists of events by date, etc. and never scratched the surface of what history is REALLY about. I was lucky. I had a superb teacher (two years in a row ... US and world) that really sparked my interest and made me realize just how important history can be.
In the last couple decades (while my own kids were supposed to be learning history), the US education system has put more and more emphasis on reading, science and math. Not that they should not have ... just that they robbed more and more time history to do it ... until history is just about none existant. And what little they DO teach makes those lists of events and dates look like in-depth analysis.
Example: In my son's high school US history text from the early 90s, the Vietnam conflict rated just short of two pages! ... and the Watergate scandle and Nixon resignation rated a whopping two paragraphs with something like three sentences each. There was less than a chapter on both WWs I and II.
The Old Sarge
editor said:
OK. I should have done that.
Mao, as well as being a great war strategist ('surround the cities from the countryside...', 'either revolution will end the war, or the war will lead to a revolution' etc), has said some very important things that are still relevant today, in my opinion. For example, it's right to rebel/bomb the headquarters - which is about revolt against leadership and power in any form (including party cadres, teachers etc). There is a well-written pamphlet called 'on practice' where he points out that knowledge comes through practice - 'in order to change an apple you must first bite it'...
redsquirrel
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You also better explain what you mean by thisSt Elsewhere said:OK. I should have done that.
Just who are the usual suspects. And be sharpish about it.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
I'm guessing that it was those JewsBinkie said:
Idaho
continuity character
Leica said:
I'm not sure how much Mao led that strategy or was forced into it. The KMT were supplied by the US and consequently needed the supply lines and infrastructure offered by the cities. The Communists had to rely on their strengths - the fact that the KMT couldn't reach far from their power bases and had little support in the country.
However your justification of the cultural revolution is pretty pale. If it was ok to revolt against the local headquarters and to beat up your teachers - why was it also not ok to revolt against Mao himself?
For some light entertainment (thanks to people at enrager/libcom for pointing these out), I THOUROUGHLY recommend these Maoist reviews of music, films and computer games:
http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/bookstore/index.html#M
http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/bookstore/index.html#M
More on the monster Mao and his useful idiots.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Kasheem give you a shout did he?
redsquirrel
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You still haven't told us who the 'usual suspects' are.St Elsewhere said:
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