Many killed by poilice in China

[Hanfstaengl]

There appears to be growing unrest in China. What will be the west's response, to this 'non Beijing' news? The BBC say it could be the deadliest use of force since Tianneman Square.

China confirms it shot protesters http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4517706.stm

 

[Pickman's model]

The BBC say it could be the deadliest use of force since Tianneman Square.

without wishing to take anything away from the unfortunate casualties, isn't lethal force lethal force however many people are kill'd?

 

[Hanfstaengl]

without wishing to take anything away from the unfortunate casualties, isn't lethal force lethal force however many people are kill'd?

I think they mean deadliest in terms of numbers. Do you think we'll see growing unrest?

 

[Pickman's model]

let's wait and see...

 

[CharlieAddict]

What is so unsurprising with this news article?
Skinning animals, the oppression of Uighur Muslims, the shooting of 20 or so people...haven't the BBC got any positive to say about China?

 

[blamblam]

Loads of great China news here:
http://www.china-labour.org.hk/public/main

 

[Rentonite]

I like Chinese food? is that posative?

 

[In Bloom]

What is so unsurprising with this news article?
Skinning animals, the oppression of Uighur Muslims, the shooting of 20 or so people...haven't the BBC got any positive to say about China?

Is there anything positive to say?

 

[potential]

my dad lived in china. ive been there, if you venture into
the countryside you will come across a lawless shithole...
life seems cheap there and wife beating is rife..

 

[mears]

China needs to get their property rights situation sorted out. Who owns the land, when land is taken for development that rural Chinese once farmed, do these souls get compensation? How much compensation? Are there courts of law to hear their greviences? Or do they have to get to Beijing and take their chances.

It seems many corrupt commuinist party bosses in the provinces are enriching themeselves on land used by Chinese peasants.

Another hangover from the commuist era.

 

[rich!]

China needs to get their property rights situation sorted out.

So, let me get this straight.

The government is randomly slaughtering their civilian population, and you think their property rights are the important issue?

it is extremely unusual for Chinese police to use live fire to suppress a demonstration

Not "never happens". Just "extremely unusual".

?

 

[mears]

So, let me get this straight.

The government is randomly slaughtering their civilian population, and you think their property rights are the important issue?



Not "never happens". Just "extremely unusual".

?

This incident HAPPENED because of property rights.

"Witnesses at the time told US broadcaster Radio Free Asia the incident happened after hundreds of police tried to disperse up to 1,000 demonstrators near Shanwei.

Protesters were apparently angry because they had not been compensated for land taken by the government to build a power plant.

The village has since been sealed off by security personnel.

One of the most prominent rural demonstrations, earlier this year, took place in the village of Taishi, also in Guangdong province.

Villagers accused Taishi's chief of embezzling public funds in a deal involving the sale of a large tract of village land.

The stand-off between locals and security forces lasted several weeks."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4517706.stm

 

[Jessiedog]

Latest reports from the SCMP say three dead (although may be more), eight injured and a few dozen arrested.

Hardly a Tiananmen Square.

Meanwhile, the official (cop methinks) who gave the order to open fire has been arrested and is likely to get a spanked botty.

Still, despite all the talk of it being pitch dark and the police just trying to fire warning shots and it all being a mistake, it certainly does look like a violent police suppression of a violent crowd of up to a thousand peeps - not good.

The "good" news is that the authorities are embarrassed by the incident and have arrested the instigator. The last thing Beijing wants is suppression by killing villagers - it looks bad internationally. Indeed, there were some 74,000 "uprisings" in 2004 and rarely was anyone seriously injured in their control/suppression.

This is a severe embarrassment for Beijing and the word will go out that it must not happen again. It probably still will on occasion, but such violent suppression is rare these days - thank God. I suspect that it was one of the local commanding cops on the ground who panicked and gave the open fire order. He will be punished and such incidents will become even rarer.

Sad.



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[Jessiedog]

my dad lived in china. ive been there, if you venture into
the countryside you will come across a lawless shithole...
life seems cheap there and wife beating is rife..

And you, my friend, are what is known as an ignorant and bigoted twat.



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[Jessiedog]

So, let me get this straight.

The government is randomly slaughtering their civilian population, and you think their property rights are the important issue?



Not "never happens". Just "extremely unusual".

?

It happens everywhere on occasion, rich! The UK, the US, Europe, Brazil, you name it - people get shot by the authorities.

In China, it is extremely rare.



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[Hanfstaengl]

And you, my friend, are what is known as an ignorant and bigoted twat.



Woof

Are you in China Jessiedog? Are the government changing policies to prevent this kind of attrociity or can we expect to see more violent crack downs?

 

[Jessiedog]

Are you in China Jessiedog? Are the government changing policies to prevent this kind of attrociity or can we expect to see more violent crack downs?

Yes. I live in China.

See my post above - the Central govt. in Beijing does NOT want this kind of incident to happen.

Unfortunately, as I've been saying for months, the centre no longer has any control. It seems like at least some people are starting to listen........

We are inclined to believe reports we have heard that this centralized power is losing its grip on the country, and that central government orders cannot be effectively implemented outside the headquarters of the Chinese Communist Party at Zhongnanhai. We really can expect very little from this government under such circumstances, apart from lamenting the rising number of coal mine accidents and corruption among local government officials.

Source.



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[chinchilla]

This report stands out because it was the authorities involved, unfortunately throughout china at the moment are land fights between residents in rural areas and hired thugs working for businessmen eager to build factories/ power plants etc.

Generally in reports of this kind of incident the police are said to have stood back and allowed events to unfold but don't actively participate.

 

[Jessiedog]

This report stands out because it was the authorities involved, unfortunately throughout china at the moment are land fights between residents in rural areas and hired thugs working for businessmen eager to build factories/ power plants etc.

Generally in reports of this kind of incident the police are said to have stood back and allowed events to unfold but don't actively participate.

Indeed Chin.

Hopefully, the incident will precpitate a further edict from Beijing that killing protesters is unacceptable. Hopefully, the local cops will be a little more circumspect in future.

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[TeeJay]

It happens everywhere on occasion, rich! The UK, the US, Europe, Brazil, you name it - people get shot by the authorities.

In China, it is extremely rare.



Woof

Don't they normally hang them?

"Based on public reports available, Amnesty International estimated that at least 3,400 people were executed in China during the year [2004], although the true figures were believed to be much higher. In March 2004 a delegate at the National People's Congress said that "nearly 10,000" people are executed per year in China."

http://web.amnesty.org/pages/deathpenalty-facts-eng

Oh, I'm worng - they don't hang them, they shoot them or use lethal injections.

Did you actually mean: They don't shoot them by mistake?

 

[Jessiedog]

Don't they normally hang them?

"Based on public reports available, Amnesty International estimated that at least 3,400 people were executed in China during the year [2004], although the true figures were believed to be much higher. In March 2004 a delegate at the National People's Congress said that "nearly 10,000" people are executed per year in China."

http://web.amnesty.org/pages/deathpenalty-facts-eng

Oh, I'm worng - they don't hang them, they shoot them or use lethal injections.

Did you actually mean: They don't shoot them by mistake?

I meant that incidents where the police shoot people happen in many countries. It is rare in China.


China, like many countries, has the death penalty. This is a separate issue.

Interestingly (in a perverse kind of way of course,) little Singapore has the highest per capita rate of state executions over the last decade.



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[chinchilla]

Hopefully, the incident will precpitate a further edict from Beijing that killing protesters is unacceptable. Hopefully, the local cops will be a little more circumspect in future.

Lets Hope so, In my limited understanding of these events it seems the Police unwillingness to participate is not necessarily complicity with the one side or the other, but the fact that they have no idea which side to take.

 

[Jessiedog]

Lets Hope so, In my limited understanding of these events it seems the Police unwillingness to participate is not necessarily complicity with the one side or the other, but the fact that they have no idea which side to take.

Aye! I'm sure the police are essentially at the mercy of local rather than Central cadres. Never sure whether they should be suppressing protesters or supporting them against the local thugs intimidating them (tho' usually acting at the behest of vested local interests).

In this case, as I say, it looks like one stupid local cop, in command on the ground, panicked and gave the order to shoot. I doubt very much he'll be in a position to do so again.

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[jaxe]

Fuck China, honestly the only reason people do NOTHING about it is because we are afraid of insulting them. My cousin was arrested in china for protesting, thankfully Cretien was there, and saw it all. As he was waiting in a starbucks watching rich communists driving lambroguinis, chinese agents tried to put drugs on him TO KEEP HIM IN THE COUNTRY! he pushed him away and asked him what the fuck he was doing.

there all swine

 

[kasheem]

Loads of great China news here:
http://www.china-labour.org.hk/public/main

Also check this out:

http://english.epochtimes.com/index14.html

They have a lot of China coverage.

 

[Jessiedog]

Fuck China,

there all swine

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Actually, there not all, at all.



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[Jessiedog]

Also check this out:

http://english.epochtimes.com/index14.html

They have a lot of China coverage.

This publication is essentially run by the Falun Gong (Falun Dafa).

For obvious reasons, they don't like the CCP.



Edit: To ensure balanced coverage: ....And for equally obvious reasons, the CCP don't much like some 10,000 yellow-tee-shirted old grannies peacefully surrounding Zhongnanghai.



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[CharlieAddict]

Fuck China, honestly the only reason people do NOTHING about it is because we are afraid of insulting them. My cousin was arrested in china for protesting, thankfully Cretien was there, and saw it all. As he was waiting in a starbucks watching rich communists driving lambroguinis, chinese agents tried to put drugs on him TO KEEP HIM IN THE COUNTRY! he pushed him away and asked him what the fuck he was doing.

there all swine

If I wanted to hear an arsehole, I'd had farted you cunt.
You're such a simple twat.
You're no different to the wankers in Oz.
So it's 'us' and 'them' now is it?

 

[jaxe]

i have lots of chinese friends, However, "them", is in reference to the chinese government, and those who support them.

 

[Jessiedog]

i have lots of chinese friends, However, "them",.

PSML......

Sort of....



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