Manchester United 18/19: finishing second best

Discussion in 'football' started by chilango, May 26, 2018.

  1. agricola

    agricola a genuine importer of owls

    The worst part is the rest of the continents clubs pay their players to play football, not whatever that was today.
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  2. Badgers

    Badgers Mr Big Shrimp!

    Have to say am surprised how bad Rashford has been of late (and today).
  3. The39thStep

    The39thStep Well-Known Member

    I was just thinking about how that also applies to Liverpool's current form in the CL.We've all got six months to prepare for next seasons.
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  4. binka

    binka !!!!!!!!!

    Ashley Young post match "you can't fault the effort or the attitude" :eek:
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  5. Badgers

    Badgers Mr Big Shrimp!

    Really? If Liverpool put in the same performance they did away to Barca it would be a rugby Score against Utd
  6. Badgers

    Badgers Mr Big Shrimp!

    Interested to know which players from the current squad Utd fans want to keep for next season?
  7. Badgers

    Badgers Mr Big Shrimp!

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  8. Wilf

    Wilf Dances like a Christian

    One of the things about Ferguson was his workaholic control freakery. He had his spies out to see who was out on the piss and the rest, but you got the impression he had some kind of process for each player who was playing badly. It was probably a quiet word, sometimes a bollocking, but things didn't drift. This is all drift. TBH though, I'd settle for Ole and the full squad staying put if we could boot woodward and owners out.
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  9. The39thStep

    The39thStep Well-Known Member

    United arent in the CL. In fact according to Paul Hurst of the Times " If MUFC finish 6th and Watford win the FA Cup Utd will have to go through three rounds of EL qualifying just to get to the group stages of the competition. First game would be on July 25 - the day that Utd are due to play Spurs in Shanghai"
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  10. donkyboy

    donkyboy Crazy cat man

    Shaw always looks like he needs to lose weight.

    And Phelan as DOF is comical. If OGS is pushing for this, then we need to get rid of him ASAP. :facepalm:
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  11. tommers

    tommers Your disco needs you

    Can I just say that this is all still hilarious.
  12. chilango

    chilango Neither Westminster nor Brussels....

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  13. chilango

    chilango Neither Westminster nor Brussels....

    Dalot, Lindelof, Chong,.McTomminay.
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  14. Joe Reilly

    Joe Reilly Well-Known Member

    Herrera. Pay him his money. Make him captain. And start again on the front foot.
  15. DexterTCN

    DexterTCN Official Twitter Liaison Officer

    Fair point.
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  16. happie chappie

    happie chappie Well-Known Member

    You could add Fred, Matic, Rojo and Young to that list, possibly Smalling and Jones too.

    That's pretty much half an entire squad.

    Would be sorry to see De Gea, Rashford and Hererra go. Mata too as I've always rated him and IMHO he's been pretty underused in recent years.

    As for the others, ranges between "meh" and "good riddance".

    It looks like being the biggest Utd rebuilding programme since Munich. Certainly bigger than when we were relegated.
  17. happie chappie

    happie chappie Well-Known Member

    I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one.

    You can’t just blame Woodward or the Board. There’s plenty of blame to go round and others can’t duck their culpability.

    You could blame the Board for appointing Mourinho. But you could argue that Fergie is to blame for insisting Moyes got the job (who promptly ditched all the backroom staff, widely seen as a mistake of epic proportions) which has set off the chain of events which has lead us to where we are now.

    I’m just not convinced that Woodward has signed players against the manager’s wishes. Indeed, as far as I can see there’s no evidence for that whatsoever. Certainly neither Moyes, Van Gaal or Mourinho have never even hinted that this was the case.

    Of course Woodward has a say, probably the final one, in transfer dealings. Someone other than the manager has to, and it’s normally the person who signs the cheques.

    Otherwise a manager would be able to sign who he wants, when he wants for however much he wants. That’s clearly untenable.

    Woodward would have more than an a close eye on the commercial opportunities. That’s he’s job and he’s pretty good at it. He helps generates the income that the manager has available for transfers.

    Sadly Jose has blown a pretty sizeable amount of it. For the £450 million he spent we could have had, for example, Foden, Bale, De Bryune and Salah (or their equivalents) and still had a fair chunk of cash left over to have bought Lindelof and Dalot, arguably his best 2 signings - a pretty low bar admittedly.

    Instead we’ve got Bailly, Fred, Pogba, Lukaku, Sanchez et al and looking at making a hefty losses when we move them and others on.

    And if anyone should have had anyone’s back it should have been Mourinho having the backs of his own players, at least in public.

    I shouldn’t have to spell out what how appalling (both in terms of morale and ethics) slagging your players off in front of the whole world is. In my view he deserved the sack just for that.

    How can Woodward be blamed for that piece of appalling man management?

    Not having a Director of Football is an obvious problem but one that can be relatively easily be fixed, providing the existing manager is happy to work within that set up (and ideally has a big say in who is appointed) and their role is clearly defined.

    Anyway, that’s all water under the bridge now.

    We now have to face the unedifying choice of City or Liverpool winning the title (and entering the qualifying stages of the Europa League).
  18. RD2003

    RD2003 Well-Known Member

    Somebody on Red Cafe also said something sobering the other night: that, post-WW2, United have only really been remarkably good when they've had the best manager in the world(?)-Busby and then Ferguson. When they haven't, they revert to being an average-to-good domestic cup side...

    Given that the formation of the Premier League changed everything in terms of finance and the inevitable restricting of competition, it's incredible that a club that was probably financially pre-eminent in world football as recently as 2013 should have reverted to type.
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  19. donkyboy

    donkyboy Crazy cat man

  20. Wilf

    Wilf Dances like a Christian

    Also, Liverpool and Citeh look like they could end up on 97 and 98 points this year. Given they are likely to be as strong again next year, anyone trying to get past them may well need at least that many points. Who knows, the top 2 may drop off in performance a bit next year, but this isn't like the days of losing out to Arsenal for the league in the 90s (knowing you only had to outdo them the year after, getting 80 odd points or so).
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  21. steveo87

    steveo87 Procrastinating for....a while

  22. binka

    binka !!!!!!!!!

    I wouldn't be surprised if 90+ was the standard for as long as Klopp and Guardiola are there
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  23. Wilf

    Wilf Dances like a Christian

    Oh, that could be a problem. :(
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  24. donkyboy

    donkyboy Crazy cat man

    With liverpool now in the CL final, no way in hell any top player coming to the PL will want to come to United. All will want CL football.
  25. steveo87

    steveo87 Procrastinating for....a while

  26. donkyboy

    donkyboy Crazy cat man

    Hope Liverpool win it. Superb team. Well deserved for the way the y have played all season
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  27. chilango

    chilango Neither Westminster nor Brussels....

    Fucking 80s revival :(
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  28. MadeInBedlam

    MadeInBedlam Arm the mentally ill Enforced Holiday

    And we stood firm and looked how the 90s worked out for us.

    This isn’t going to take a quick fix.
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  29. chilango

    chilango Neither Westminster nor Brussels....

  30. MadeInBedlam

    MadeInBedlam Arm the mentally ill Enforced Holiday

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