Manchester United 18/19: finishing second best

Discussion in 'football' started by chilango, May 26, 2018.

  1. Dandred

    Dandred Mmmmm Beer!

    Cardiff are going to want to prove a point, if they win it would be hilarious. Solskjaer's managerial record isn't great.....
     
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  2. Patteran

    Patteran A nowadays excuse

    Mitchell was touted a few weeks back, before Jose was sacked - the planned summer replacement may have been accelerated by events. Possibly relevant, Gill was spotted/presented at Carrington this morning.

    I don't know how United's core philosophy would work anymore. What was it? Busby's 'Just get out there & enjoy yourselves' prerogative to entertain succeeded by drawing on atypically large talent pool of players, crowds & local media that had been created by Mcr's early industrialisation. It was replicated under Ferguson, driven by a mad proletarian/presbyterian work ethic, then with added Prem & tv funds. Mcr's geographical/historical advantages have gone - the talent pool is global, the tv money gets everywhere, sugar daddies pop up all over, & the players are no longer driven/humbled by 50,000 dads & lads off the docks - & the commonality & solidarity of shared experience that unified the crowds has also gone. United was a weird popular front - a successful alliance between the parochial working class & the provincial business & media classes. And as long as turnstiles provided key revenue, a balance was maintained. Supporters have been replaced with global customers - that leverage & influence has gone, & won't be coming back. And can you even play two wingers anymore?

    Maybe? Fucked if I know, my old pal. Get Keane in, that's what I think. Keano, & relegation. Doc's Red Army Part 2.
     
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  3. Wilf

    Wilf Meeting few of his KPIs

    Hang on a minute, could I just check you out with my brand new Sincerity Meter? :mad:
     
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  4. Joe Reilly

    Joe Reilly Well-Known Member

    A quick look at his signings and - where they are are now - tells a different story.
     
  5. Wilf

    Wilf Meeting few of his KPIs

    Oh! I'd forgotten it was Cardiff next.
     
  6. Wilf

    Wilf Meeting few of his KPIs

    To be honest, all of the post-Ferguson sackings were justified. Don't mean just in the logic of 'modern football', more that there were no signs of improvement, they were playing shit football and the manager seemed to have lost the dressing room.
     
  7. Harry Smiles

    Harry Smiles Well-Known Member

    Yes, I can imagine as a Utd fan, acceptance and amusement, is your only option. Bizarrely, even as a Gooner, I'd hoped Ferguson would have stepped in and restored you, and football generally, to former glories. Sadly, I think those days are gone. Utd have become a Brexit-like shit-show and the world has moved on past a point of possible return. Same for my beloved Arsenal - the margins for error don't exist anymore, once you're behind, you're not coming back
     
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  8. Joe Reilly

    Joe Reilly Well-Known Member

    Core philosophy? When Rugby chief Clive Woodard was preparing for what turned out to be a successful World Cup campaign he brought his entire squad to train with the Marines. Part fitness part team bonding. However the Marines also assessed his squad psychologically. The results shocked him. Eight out of the squad were identified as lacking in one vital area. They were not individuals the marines would ever want to share a trench with. When the chips were down the one back they were looking out for was their own. Woodward didn't identify them, but cleared them out, and won the WC.

    Now look at Utd's purchases since Fergie departed and ask yourself how many would have passed the test? Then when you assess the Ferguson selection, you instantly realise the question would have to be reversed - with the focus on the handful that wouldn't pass muster. So in terms of core philosophy, systems have little to do with. Character comes first.
     
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  9. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    Yeh once you're behind you're an arse
     
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  10. Dandred

    Dandred Mmmmm Beer!

    Taken from another site. :D:D:D

    Solskjaer at Cardiff:

    Hired January 2nd with Cardiff on 18 points after 20 games, sitting 17th in the Premier League:

    Cardiff 0 v 2 West Ham
    Man City
    4 v 2 Cardiff
    Man United 2 v 0 Cardiff
    Cardiff 2 v 1 Norwich
    Swansea 3 v 0 Cardiff
    Cardiff 0 v 0 Aston Villa
    Cardiff 0 v 4 Hull
    Tottenham 1 v 0 Cardiff
    Cardiff 3 v 1 Fulham
    Everton 2 v 1 Cardiff
    Cardiff 3 v 6 Liverpool
    West Brom 3 v 3 Cardiff
    Cardiff 0 v 3 Crystal Palace
    Southampton 0 v 1 Cardiff
    Cardiff 1 v 1 Stoke
    Sunderland 4 v 0 Cardiff
    Newcastle 3 v 0 Cardiff
    Cardiff 1 v 2 Chelsea

    P18 W3 D3 L12 GF17 GA42

    Finished 20th with 30 points.

    Then in the Championship before getting sacked September 18th, sitting 17th:

    Blackburn 1 v 1 Cardiff
    Cardiff 3 v 1 Huddersfield
    Cardiff 1 v 0 Wigan
    Wolves 1 v 0 Cardiff
    Fulham 1 v 1 Cardiff
    Cardiff 2 v 4 Norwich
    Cardiff 0 v 1 Middlesbrough

    P7 W2 D2 L3 GF8 GA9

    So basically, he took them from 17th in the Premier League to 17th in the Championship within 9 months. Now he is going to managing Manchester United.

    :thumbs::D:thumbs::D:thumbs::D
     
  11. tommers

    tommers Your disco needs you

    yeah but he's won the Norwegian League with Molde 2 seasons in a row. :D

    6 years ago.
     
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  12. S☼I

    S☼I already bored

    Ah, edited :D
     
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  13. Wilf

    Wilf Meeting few of his KPIs

    Or, to put it another way: 'Look Jose, this is the bloke United prefer as their manager to you'. :thumbs:
     
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  14. Patteran

    Patteran A nowadays excuse

    'Caption this'
    'Under fire from the enemy, his first instinct is to plead with them about which members of his own side they should shoot.'

    (I don't really think of football in such extreme militarised terms, but I know what you mean - old fella who sat behind us used to make us laugh/groan with his weekly roar of 'No shithouses in my team!')
     
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  15. tommers

    tommers Your disco needs you

    When people turn up for interviews at work I take a few potshots at them from my sniper nest on the roof.

    Got to be made of stern stuff if you want to supply office stationery to the Greater Slough area.

    #woodward
     
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  16. The39thStep

    The39thStep Well-Known Member

    You'll be switching to Spurs or Chelsea then ?
     
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  17. RD2003

    RD2003 Well-Known Member

    Doesn't necessarily mean that Van Gaal-no mug, as his record shows-wouldn't have made something of them. Keeping him would have brought stability. It must be 30 years since I can remember the United fanbase (the real one, not the plastic one) being so disunited (Ferguson out!, 'I'm not going again until he's gone...')
     
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  18. LiamO

    LiamO Well-Known Member

    Is that not a Status Quo 'classic'?
     
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  19. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

     
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  20. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    You're quite right I was thinking of go down. Although solksjaer is a great Quo fan too
     
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  21. Badgers

    Badgers Mr Big Shrimp!

    Is Pogba going to stay now?
     
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  22. Dandred

    Dandred Mmmmm Beer!

    Mourinho & Man Utd: The Inside Story of the Inside Stories - Football365 :D:D:D:D:D

    Jose’s Travel Tavern
    Jose Mourinho’s isolation in Manchester is a recurring theme. His 895-night, half-a-million-quid stay at The Lowry has become the stuff of legend. Multiple studies have shown it is literally impossible for any mildly successful football twitter account to resist the obvious Alan Partridge jokes. We too are only human.

    While the state of his Corby trouser press remains, alas, a mystery, the picture painted is clear. ‘Mourinho cut an isolated figure in Manchester and was often spotted sitting alone in the restaurant at the Lowry Hotel in Salford, his home in the city for two-and-a-half years,’ writes ESPN’s Rob Dawson, negligently failing to confirm the diameter of Jose’s plate.

    ‘Wearing cream chinos and a black jacket, the sacked 55-year-old sipped a cup of tea while looking out of the window,’ Dan Browns The Times’ Paul Hirst. ‘Behind him stood a grand piano, but alas Alexis Sánchez was not there to tinkle the ivories for his manager before he checked out of the hotel that he has called home for the past two-and-a-half years.

    ‘After a while Ricardo Formosinho joined Mourinho at the table, but his former boss barely spoke to him. Instead, Mourinho’s erstwhile assistant coach just sat as his compatriot’s phone pinged incessantly. According to those present, Mourinho fielded call after call, then he was replying to WhatsApp messages from those comforting him after his sacking.’

    Just going for a walk. To the petrol station. Get some windscreen washer fluid. Anyone… anyone want to join me? Breath of fresh air??
     
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  23. chilango

    chilango Neither Westminster nor Brussels....

    Solskjaer is definitely saying the right things so far.
     
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  24. heinous seamus

    heinous seamus til clay-cauld death shall blind my ee

    Should have gone with Keano for a laugh.
     
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  25. The39thStep

    The39thStep Well-Known Member

    He's said about everything tbh , we'll have to see if the he walks the talk. What would be his target in your opinion CL ie top 4 or Europa top 5/6?
     
  26. chilango

    chilango Neither Westminster nor Brussels....

    For me?

    A happier squad, playing better (attacking) football. Give the FA cup a real go.
     
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  27. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    I'm looking forward to him doing his talking on the pitch
     
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  28. Patteran

    Patteran A nowadays excuse

    You heard this from Keane?

    'They're not just weak players, they're weak human beings'.

     
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  29. The39thStep

    The39thStep Well-Known Member

    Re happier: found it intersting that only three players , Lingard, Bailly and Dalot posted on social media thanking him.
     
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  30. Joe Reilly

    Joe Reilly Well-Known Member

    I concur.
     
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