Manchester United 17/18: Reigning Europa League Champions, EFL Cup and Community Shield Holders!!!

Discussion in 'football' started by chilango, Jun 21, 2017.

  1. Joe Reilly

    Joe Reilly Well-Known Member

    It should also put the Lukaku v Morata debate to bed for a while too. Generally Lukaku needs to play nearer to the box and Sanchez needs to play nearer to Lukaku. With three in midfield the very last thing Utd need is him clogging up the works there. Matic, aided and abetted by McTominay was superb, while Kante's deserved booking for having to bring down Pogba blunted the former's aggression. And with Drinkwater (£40 mill?) offering nothing of note alongside him, Utd began to visibly dominate in midfield from at least the halfway point. The contrast with just Matic and Pogba sitting albeit away against say Spurs was marked. Hopefully then this is the default formation going forward. With Bailly back, all now that needs to be rectified in terms of a balanced side is left back.
     
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  2. Joe Reilly

    Joe Reilly Well-Known Member

    If you rule out/write off the Moyes/Van Gaal reign, then the real re-building after Fergie is just 18 months in. Mourinho has bought well. Matic, Pogba (24), Lukaku (24), Bailly (23) have all been stellar purchases. And visibly and immediately superior to what they replaced. While the in house emergence this season of Lingard and McTominay adds even more youthful weight to the roster. Fosu-Mensah will return at the end of the season battle hardened. And Shaw, still just 22, may yet be reborn under Mourinho's tutelage. With Carrick and Fellani going one or two places are there to be filled in midfield. Essentially, the trick is to be competitive while re-building the new young spine of the team. This is not as easy as it looks.
    (Liverpool are after all still a work in progress after more than a quarter of a century! This is the way may saw/hoped Utd were going. But Mourinho has remedied that. Hence the rancour from some in the media who do little to contain their disappointment.
     
  3. The39thStep

    The39thStep Well-Known Member

    only the bar and the linesman stopped Morata from scoring twice
     
  4. BCBlues

    BCBlues Lend us a Twenner

    And a decent referee would have stopped play when Christensen and Lukaku clashed.

    The title of this thread needs amending by the way. Your noisy neighbours now own one of those :thumbs:
     
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  5. Eggby

    Eggby Well-Known Member

    To me it looks like he was just fractionally offside, but as a Chelsea fan it must be extremely galling to have seen it not given, probably many a delirious celebration was sadly cut short.[​IMG]
     
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  6. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    You can't be offside if only your arms or shoulders are offside, has to be a part of the body you're allowed to play with.
     
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  7. Eggby

    Eggby Well-Known Member

    Like Mata's kneecap the other day? Yes very close decision like I say, extremely hard for the officials to judge...play to the whistle
     
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  8. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    Kneecap?
     
  9. Joe Reilly

    Joe Reilly Well-Known Member

    Apparently play had already stopped by the time he put the ball in the net. That aside Lukaku has scored 22 to Morata's 12 in all comps. Yesterday's game served to highlight the size of the gulf between them. But from fan/media castigation you might have imagined it was at level-pegging or even the other way round.
     
  10. Wilf

    Wilf Meeting few of his KPIs

    Somebody fucked up there - aren't those lines supposed to be wavy? :confused:
     
  11. Patteran

    Patteran A nowadays excuse


    Flag was up, whistle had gone, United had stopped when Morata hit it.

    Haven't watched it back, but agree Matic was man of the match from where we were sat, with McTominay doing a great job marking Hazard - though I was still pleased (& surprised) to see Hazard subbed. First time I'd seen Sanchez - he really is tiny. Was it him taking the corners & failing to get the ball beyond their first man repeatedly? First half was dire - flat, deep, slow. Stagnant. Big gap between the midfield & the forwards, with Chelsea looking comfortable containing a front three who don't seem very bright. William & Moses both looked good. Pogba did nothing of note beyond give the ball away & lose his boot & his temper before the first goal. Lukaku's touch improved in the second half, the pace picked up, the crowd woke up a bit. A nice day out in the sunshine, & a rare trip to OT for me these days.
     
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  12. happie chappie

    happie chappie Well-Known Member

    Oh yessssssssss!!
     
  13. Joe Reilly

    Joe Reilly Well-Known Member

    Oh yessssss!!! but we still need to talk about Alexis.

    First of all, what is he doing wrong? One coming to deep for the ball. Two, when he gets it, a singular vision. Through the middle. Exactly where play is congested. The problem is through the middle doesn't actually mean through in any meaningful sense. It means either a hopeful one two that inevitably breaks down at the first or second phase, or more often than not the ball is chipped forward into the churn. In the first half this resulted in him giving away the ball on a staggering 19 occasions. Was the second half and better? Probably not. It may even have been worse. When he came from Arsenal his reputation was one of being "relentless". This is surely not what they meant?
     
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  14. Joe Reilly

    Joe Reilly Well-Known Member

    Bailly 8, Young 8, McTominay 8, Lukaku 8, Rashford 8.5...
     
  15. Eggby

    Eggby Well-Known Member

    Crazy o.g. by Bailly but he did very well. Yes agree Sanchez is worrying, hope he starts to fire on all cylinders soon but things aren't coming off for him at the mo, maybe he's trying too hard? A great game for young Marcus though.
     
  16. donkyboy

    donkyboy Crazy cat man

    Not worried about sanchez myself. I reckon he will be a force by start of next season
     
  17. Dr. Furface

    Dr. Furface One small step for man

    Sevilla 2-0, g'night!
     
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  18. agricola

    agricola a genuine importer of owls

    thats certainly achievable, its only one letter different from what he has been tonight
     
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  19. Wilf

    Wilf Meeting few of his KPIs

    Awful stuff
     
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  20. donkyboy

    donkyboy Crazy cat man

    rubbish.
    and always felt rashford was over-rated. Just don't see anything special about this kid.
     
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  21. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    I think he'll go on to be a cracking player, whether that's for Utd or elsewhere.
     
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  22. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    As an England fan, I bloody love Rashford. Usual caveats about making good on his promise and the dangers of being a young footballer in England, but he could be proper bloody good.
     
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  23. Wilf

    Wilf Meeting few of his KPIs

    Nah, very effective on his day, abysmal tonight. Maybe mourning will banish him but hes not shit.
     
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  24. donkyboy

    donkyboy Crazy cat man

    owen was a better player this age and went on to deliver for england. this kid isn't as good
     
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  25. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    That's not an argument for very much. How many other players weren't as good at Owen at 21 but went on to deliver for England or ther respective nation?

    And just because it's wasteful to miss any opportunity: Owen is/was a prick.
     
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  26. donkyboy

    donkyboy Crazy cat man

    meh.
     
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  27. TruXta

    TruXta tired

    Owen also did fuck all after age 25-26. Well, apart from turning into a raging bellend.
     
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  28. agricola

    agricola a genuine importer of owls

    He looks a lot better when put alongside Pogba and Sanchez.
     
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  29. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    I was gonna venture such an opinion but wondered if my Newcastle-tinged memories were faulty.

    However, I'm pretty confident that he didn't turn into a raging bellend.

     
  30. donkyboy

    donkyboy Crazy cat man

    yeah. the first england player to score in 4 consecutive tournaments did fuck all :facepalm:
    rashford will never achieve that.
     
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