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Manchester United 17/18: Reigning Europa League Champions, EFL Cup and Community Shield Holders!!!

Discussion in 'football' started by chilango, Jun 21, 2017.

  1. chilango

    chilango By the many, not the few.

    45 minutes in...

    Matic impressive.

    Pogba looking more like the player we hoped he'd be.

    Lukaku scores.

    Nice to see Jones, Rashford etc. slotting in well.

    But Mata and especially Mikhtaryan worry me. Not seeing anywhere near enough from them.
     
  2. chilango

    chilango By the many, not the few.

    Happy with that :)
     
  3. Fez909

    Fez909 toilet expert

    Changed your mind yet?
     
  4. donkyboy

    donkyboy Crazy cat man

    early days. let's give it a few more games. :cool:
     
  5. Joe Reilly

    Joe Reilly Well-Known Member

    The onus is on you to explain what it is you don't like about him. It's hardly if he's an unknown quantity.
     
  6. Joe Reilly

    Joe Reilly Well-Known Member

     
  7. Joe Reilly

    Joe Reilly Well-Known Member


    What is interesting about the Swansea match is the similarities to W.Ham. Both competitive up to 40 mins. Both then succumbed just before half time. On resumption of play much as before. Then about 3/4 way through both began to visibly fray at the edges. They teetered on the edge for a minute or two, and finally toppled over, utterly spent.
    So once UTD went two up it could have easily been five. If the game had gone on for 5 minutes longer, a sixth would not have been out of the question. Across the two games Utd have actually scored 5 goals in six minutes.

    What does this tells us?

    The effort put in to competing with the likes of Bailly, Matic, Pogba, and Lukaku through the middle, eventually takes its toll. Physically, this is a powerful side. Add in the greater industry of Herrera on the right of midfield and the pace of Shaw on the left, and you will have a very speedy, forceful and nicely balanced attack (three natural left-footers plus Pogba who is two footed more or less) aligned to what already looks like a dogged defence.

    In other words although it looked like 50/50 for much of the two opening matches the opposing sides were forced to exhaust far more resources in keeping it looking respectable for the first 70 mins. Expect this pattern to repeat itself against similar sides.
     
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  8. Wilf

    Wilf 8% Beach Ready

    (Yes, I know he plays for someone else now, but I retain the right to gripe about him...). Rooney retires from England after Southgate rings him to recall him:
    Wayne Rooney retires from England duty after rejecting recall from Southgate
    I understand his logic and he says all the right things. He obviously doesn't see himself actually being in the starting line up next year. But still... after saying how important England is to him, it seems a bit off. Dunno really, I can see why he's done it, just seems like 'I'll join the squad and always help out when needed' would have been the better answer.
     
  9. Joe Reilly

    Joe Reilly Well-Known Member

    Rooney was the talisman/scapegoat for England since 2006. Yet, even now fans (with ABU sentiments prominent) still complain about his record for England (73 goals and assists) because of the country's failure to set the world alight in tournaments. 'You can stick your fucking England up your arse' (the UTD riposte to Beckam being booed all over the country after WC in 1998). Certainly, that might have been 'a bit off' by way of a response when Gareth came calling.
    But even if that wasn't what he was thinking when he quit on his own terms, who could really blame him if it was. But as the ultimate team player he was probably thinking something nearer the opposite.
    And now all the others have the chance to show how better they can be without him. Good luck with that.
     
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  10. Wilf

    Wilf 8% Beach Ready

    Zlatan back, one year contract:
    Zlatan Ibrahimovic rejoins Manchester United and signs a one-year contract
    Doing his rehab with united made this likely, but even with the idea of a coaching/mentoring role it's intriguing to think how he sees the Lukaku situation. Neither of them will be happy missing the big games. Injuries mean it might work of course. Rashford might be feeling the pinch a bit, particularly as Martial is coming back into favour.
     
  11. Joe Reilly

    Joe Reilly Well-Known Member

    Any good work Zlatan's does on the pitch (not underestimating his influence off it) will likely be from the bench. Truth is the current side is a totally different proposition without him in it.
     
  12. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    Set Marcus free! Let him fly!! :( :(
     
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  13. Wilf

    Wilf 8% Beach Ready

    Indeed, but I wouldn't have thought he saw himself as a bench guy.
     
  14. LiamO

    LiamO Share the love

    And yet he is happily back.

    He knows exactly what the situation is yet he chooses, to his credit, to come back to complete his unfinished business. Fair play to him.
     
  15. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

  16. Wilf

    Wilf 8% Beach Ready

    Yep. He's an arrogant twat, but it does show a degree of loyalty, probably because he did all his rehab at united. Also, to be fair to him, since he's been at united I've only heard good things about his relationship with other players. People like Rashford might have been very pissed off at his arrival, seeing himself going back one step in the pecking order, but seems to have been happy to learn from Ibra (think I've heard that anyway, or have I heard Mourhino spinning it that way? :hmm:). Regardless, Rashford's a class act in the way he's handled things not quite kicking on from the success of his first few months.
     
  17. LiamO

    LiamO Share the love

    DId you clock all that stuff about Rashford's back a few weeks ago?

    Fair play to Mourinho for copping all the flak for not playing him more often and never once hiding behind Rashford's injury/growing pains.
     
  18. Wilf

    Wilf 8% Beach Ready

    No, was he having a moan?
     
  19. LiamO

    LiamO Share the love

    No. It just came out that Rashford (who grew an inch in the last 12 months) had fairly severe back/growing pains all through last season.

    Mourinho kept a tight lid on it and tended not play him in games against some of the more 'robust' teams. Basically he protected him, for long term benefit. Many a lesser man might have buckled and played him for short term gain.

    Maybe Rashford's fortitude was what JM was refering to when he questioned it in some others, like Luke Shaw?
     
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  20. cybershot

    cybershot Well-Known Member

    Title needs changing by the way, no longer community shield holders! :rolleyes:
     
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  21. Wilf

    Wilf 8% Beach Ready

    Ah, cheers. Though whilst I don't the details of what was going on when he was questioning Shaw's willingness to come back from injury early, I thought that was a mind game too far. His own medical staff had given Shaw and Smalling specific return dates.
     
  22. donkyboy

    donkyboy Crazy cat man

    I'm not convinced. I think we really could do with Persic to complete the puzzle.
     
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  23. The39thStep

    The39thStep Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbour?

    Final piece in the jigsaw
     
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  24. The39thStep

    The39thStep Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbour?

    What is his unfinished business?
     
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  25. Badgers

    Badgers Mr Big Shrimp

    They are doing very well
     
  26. Joe Reilly

    Joe Reilly Well-Known Member

    UTD have now scored 9 of their 16 goals after the 80th min.
     
  27. chilango

    chilango By the many, not the few.

    Three 4-0wins already :)
     
  28. RD2003

    RD2003 Well-Known Member

    Nearly as good as 5-0 and 6-0 wins.
     
  29. Joe Reilly

    Joe Reilly Well-Known Member

    There were a couple of things that Matic did that were instructive. On one occasion, it was Mikhi I think, who jabbed a ball toward and slightly behind him from too close range while he was heavily marked. For almost any other player it would have guaranteed loss of possession and a potential launch pad for the opposition.

    Instead Matic telescoped out his left leg and with the softest of touches gathered it in and re-cycled.

    Later on there was a genuine 50-50 with an Everton player (Schneiderlin I think). Matic did not hesitate in employing all of his 6.4 frame in am emphatic winning of the ball well inside Everton's half, then immediately sparking another attack.

    Schneiderlin is a like for like player, operationally. And yet there is simply no comparison. What's more, UTD got £20 million plus for the former. Which means that in recruiting Matic to replace him (who only turned 29 in August incidentally) the UTD outlay was actually as little as £15 million.

    A remarkable bit of business. In terms of sheer value and his galvanising effect on those around him, it is he and not Zlatan, who could inherit Cantona mantle.

    PS: judging from their respective performances so far, former partner Kante, is missing him already. Most pundits assumed it would be the other way round.
     
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2017
  30. nuffsaid

    nuffsaid But this goes up to 11

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