Man Utd show "spirit of 99"

[tarannau]

I already gave my thoughts on why Man Utd were piss poor against Milan and in truth it had fuck all to do with tactics, we just didn't have the midfield capable of containing them last night, simple as that. And if you think Fergie fucked it up tactically then why don't you explain how and why?

Rooney flat up, making him meat and drink for the Milan defence. Playing Scholes too far forward, largely so that he wouldn't risk another yellow card easily. A half fit Vidic playing, Giggs far too wide right to make an impact.

I could go on, but you clearly have the tactical awareness and insight of a lesser-crested arse Grebe. It's amazing how some gobshite who's seen a bit of tv on the telly suddenly reckons he knows it all.

 

[sleaterkinney]

It was a loose analogy as to how youse won't stand a chance if youse let the ball skirt along the floor. If youse have any hope of winning it with Milan playing like they did last night, youse will have to play a very physical high pressure game.

No, we'll just have to keep the ball for longer than a minute.

And I dunno if you watched Tuesdays game but both youse and Chelsea hardly played beautiful football, infact I don't think Liverpool have the players capable of doing so.

We played to the disadvantage in chelseas defence - no carvalho. Do you think players like Alonso, Gerrard and Mascherano are lumpers then?.

 

[chilango]

That I could deal with!

seriously scary to think of Fergie leaving, he's been there the whole time I've supported them, 20 fucking years ffs!

You don`t remember Dave Sexton then ya lucky bastard!

 

[Bazza]

But because it's the scouse theives everyone goes all defeatist.
Benitez has won two cups in two years at Liverpool, he's been in four finals and some how, still, Mourinho, Fergie and Wenger are some how better than him.
The power of the team comes from the manager, thats why Raneri was sacked from Chelsea, so why can't Liverpool win?

Steveo, I'm guilty of this...However, I really can't explain why because you sum it up nicely. It's not a conscious decision...Perhaps it's fear of having SIX TIMES rammed down our throats!

Regarding Tuesday, I'm gutted about Carvalho, I think it could have been a different game with Essien in midfield (although he was a sterling stand-in in defence)

 

[revol68]

Rooney flat up, making him meat and drink for the Milan defence. Playing Scholes too far forward, largely so that he wouldn't risk another yellow card easily. A half fit Vidic playing, Giggs far too wide right to make an impact.

I could go on, but you clearly have the tactical awareness and insight of a lesser-crested arse Grebe. It's amazing how some gobshite who's seen a bit of tv on the telly suddenly reckons he knows it all.

Who esle was going to play in the centre of defence considering the injuries?
Rooney was left isolated up front and Scholes was pushed further up in order to link up (how much this was based on booking worries i don't know, though they could hardly be ignored!). Giggs and Ronaldo were left isolated on the touchlines because of the lack of movement in the middle of the park, afterall they were playing on opposite wings in order for them to cut inside, like I said in earlier posts.

In the second half scholes dropped deeper and United enjoy some spells of possesion (though clearly Milan being 2-0 up played a part in this). The one thing I would say is that I thought Ferguson waited too long to bring on Saha. With him on it would allow Rooney to drop off and link up play more.

But for all the talk of tactics the simple matter was we didn't have the players in the middle of the park to deal with Milan (no need to point out the same about the defence!). Football isn't a role playing game, it can't be won from the whiteboard if your players can't deal with the opposition, and on the form Milan were last night (especially in the first half) we just didn't have enough.

 

[maximilian ping]

Ferguson asked for the spirit of 99! and he certainly got that -

Soft, frozen, melts under heat, whipped by Italians, flake throughout, devoured in minutes, wafer like at the back.

tee hee

 

[Bazza]

Funny how Celtic can contain them for 180 minutes yet you let in FIVE past them in the same time.

 

[tarannau]

In the second half scholes dropped deeper and United enjoy some spells of possesion (though clearly Milan being 2-0 up played a part in this). The one thing I would say is that I thought Ferguson waited too long to bring on Saha. With him on it would allow Rooney to drop off and link up play more.

But for all the talk of tactics the simple matter was we didn't have the players in the middle of the park to deal with Milan (no need to point out the same about the defence!). Football isn't a role playing game, it can't be won from the whiteboard if your players can't deal with the opposition, and on the form Milan were last night (especially in the first half) we just didn't have enough.

What a load of blather and mealy mouthed reasoning. So who was missing from Utd's midfield last night then? Considering that you and other Utd fans were giving it the big one and expecting a win, it's amazing how you've suddenly changed your tune. You surely could have predicted such a whomping before the game started, mini know-it-all that you are.

So where does the buck stop then. Fergie got rid of Keane and bought a load of mediocre midfielders (and near 20 mil on a shit slow one) over the years, then why this sudden breakout of hindsight and excuse-making. You seem to be pinning a lot of hope on a Canadian-German with a dodgy barnet for the future.

Utd aren't half as good as you think they are - they're just going to scrape the league title if they hold their nerve. Fergie fluked Europe once and won't again. Deal with it.

 

[revol68]

Funny how Celtic can contain them for 180 minutes yet you let in FIVE past them in the same time.

yeah footballs funny like that.

I suppouse Lille are a far better team than Roma then? Or how about Portsmouth,afterall they beat us before we beat Roma.

 

[revol68]

What a load of blather and mealy mouthed reasoning. So who was missing from Utd's midfield last night then? Considering that you and other Utd fans were giving it the big one and expecting a win, it's amazing how you've suddenly changed your tune. You surely could have predicted such a whomping before the game started, mini know-it-all that you are.

So where does the buck stop then. Fergie got rid of Keane and bought a load of mediocre midfielders (and near 20 mil on a shit slow one) over the years, then why this sudden breakout of hindsight and excuse-making. You seem to be pinning a lot of hope on a Canadian-German with a dodgy barnet for the future.

Utd aren't half as good as you think they are - they're just going to scrape the league title if they hold their nerve. Fergie fluked Europe once and won't again. Deal with it.

Didn't you read the earlier posts? I already said we don't have a midfield that can cope with that, injuries or not! I actually predicted a 2-2 draw but football doesn't work like that, Milan played out of their skins in the first half and pushed us on the backfoot, we never looked settled from then on. I mean that Milan performance was awesome and ours was poor, trying to reduce it down to tactics is just retarded, it would be up there with asking Roma fans what was wrong with the tactics at old trafford. Of course I hoped our defence would have performed better, there was some awful fuck ups going on.

I've never been blind to Man Utd's weaknesses and have taken flak off other United fans for being too cynical about our midfields ability to mix it up with the best of them. I've always said that the current United team looks fantastic when they're dominating possesion, when the other team is pressed back.

And if you bothered to read my other posts you would know I think Hargreaves is over rated and i'd be pissed if we spent 20 million on him.

 

[Bazza]

yeah footballs funny like that.

I suppouse Lille are a far better team than Roma then? Or how about Portsmouth,afterall they beat us before we beat Roma.

Valid if yesterday you weren't using Celtic as an example of why AC wont beat you.

 

[tarannau]

Excuse. Excuse. Excuse.

Do you see why your view of Liverpool's chances isn't perhaps worth the interweb it's posted on now Revol?

To use one of your limited vocabulary of charming words, your analysis is 'retarded'...

 

[revol68]

Valid if yesterday you weren't using Celtic as an example of why AC wont beat you.

an exampe of possibility, would Roma fans have been wrong to point out before the game that Man Utd didn't look very convincing against a lesser Lille side? I'm afraid you can't legislate for performances like Milans last night, and atleast i'm honest enough to realise that everytime Man Utd get beat it doesn't all centre round their mistakes. I mean really this is AC Milan we are talking about.

 

[revol68]

Excuse. Excuse. Excuse.

Do you see why your view of Liverpool's chances isn't perhaps worth the interweb it's posted on now Revol?

To use one of your limited vocabulary of charming words, your analysis is 'retarded'...

do you understand the definition of the word excuse?

I've not made any, I have rather sought to explain why Man Utd weren't good enough to beat Milan last night, infact I've blatantly said that they were just too good for us, we couldn't compete. I have then offered my thoughts on why we couldn't compete, saying we lack the midfield is not an excuse, it's an admission that our current squad is far from complete.

 

[tarannau]

And after revol's latest outbreak of hindsight (if only he wasn't such a cocky gobshite before eh) then here's a monkey who looks like Fergie

Bet he's more adept at spotting a decent midfielder though

 

[revol68]

Predicting a 2-2 draw for the team you support is hardly fucking cocky.

You really are a muppet.

 

[chilango]

Nah they're all right Revol.

Fergie is a tit.

Our team is shite.



...we'll have to make do with winning the league against City and going for the double. Useless bastard Utd, huh?

 

[Bazza]

Predicting a 2-2 draw for the team you support is hardly fucking cocky.

You really are a muppet.

That would get you into the final.

 

[revol68]

Nah they're all right Revol.

Fergie is a tit.

Our team is shite.



...we'll have to make do with winning the league against City and going for the double. Useless bastard Utd, huh?

Yeah especially cos in truth most Man Utd fans weren't expecting a season anywhere close to this. I was thinking we'd be battling it out for 2nd and 3rd and be lucky to get to the quarters in Europe. But hey lets forget about the other 50 odd games in a season, afterall if we had to take them into account Liverpool fans might realise their team isn't that good.

 

[Termite Man]

But for all the talk of tactics the simple matter was we didn't have the players in the middle of the park to deal with Milan .

Not having players in the right place to deal with opposition threat is Bad tactics I don't see why your arguing that you lost because of poor tactical decisions when thats exactly the reason you think you lost . OK you had some injuries so you couldn't play exactly how you wanted but it's a mistake tactically not to set up your team to defend the opposition threat !

 

[corporate whore]

Been enjoying this thread - excellent ice cream gag early doors, some terrible defending by revol and a quality monkey, just at the right time.

Wasn't expecting United to get quite so utterly dicked last night, but I did enjoy it.

Can't see why anyone's getting sooo excited about Milan - they found form yesterday, but it's essentially the same team that bottled it in 2005, minus Stam, Crespo and Shevchenko (whatever happened to him )

 

[revol68]

That would get you into the final.

really? Fuck, I must have overlooked that when I made it.

So tell me mystic fucking meg did you predict going out to the dippers on penalties?

Actually what was your prediction for the AC Man U game? I bet it wasn't 3-0!

Would you accuse Roma fans of being cocky if they predicted a 2-2 draw at Old Trafford?

 

[Termite Man]

Would you accuse Roma fans of being cocky if they predicted a 2-2 draw at Old Trafford?

actually I would consider someone trying to predict a draw at Old Trafford quite cocky the way they are playing there .

 

[revol68]

Not having players in the right place to deal with opposition threat is [Bad tactics[/B] I don't see why your arguing that you lost because of poor tactical decisions when thats exactly the reason you think you lost . OK you had some injuries so you couldn't play exactly how you wanted but it's a mistake tactically not to set up your team to defend the opposition threat !

I haven't complained about injuries, I have pointed out that injury free or not we don't have the players in the middle of the park to deal with a team like Milan away from home. If you want to say it was bad tactics cause Ferguson hasn't found a replacement for Keane go ahead but it's not what we are discussing.

No wonder England get fucked in the World Cup when this is the level of football discussion it produces.

Go back and read what i've posted you stupid cunt.

 

[revol68]

actually I would consider someone trying to predict a draw at Old Trafford quite cocky the way they are playing there .

Oh right, clearly the Roma fans should have travelled their expecting a 7-1 kicking, what arrogant tossers they are!

 

[Bazza]

I was pointing out that to predict 2-2 is to get to the final is more than predicting a draw, it is to predict victory in a two-legged tie. That could be construed as cocky.

I think 15 minutes into Tuesday game I would have gladly gone straight to penalties, we were that bad.

As soon as it went to penalties though, I knew we wouldn't do it. I associate penalties with defeat. I am English after all.

 

[Termite Man]

I haven't complained about injuries

did I say you had complained about injuries ?

I have pointed out that injury free or not we don't have the players in the middle of the park to deal with a team like Milan away from home.

So what your saying is Ferguson hasn't got the right players to suit the tactics needed for dealing with Milan at home

If you want to say it was bad tactics cause Ferguson hasn't found a replacement for Keane go ahead but it's not what we are discussing.

but that is bad tactics . Tactics don't just come down to how you play , it's all down to who you use to play that formation as well .
I know it's a tenuous link but I do believe that tactics go beyond formation etc. and into things like training regimes/players bought for the squad . And if you use that as your definition of what tactics are then it's exactly what we were discussing

No wonder England get fucked in the World Cup when this is the level of football discussion it produces.

Go back and read what i've posted you stupid cunt.

I was agreeing with you . Utd don't have the midfield to suit the tactics needed to play Milan , as I said earlier that is a tactical mistake made by ferguson albeit a very long term mistake it's still a tactical decision he has made when he chooses players to buy .

 

[revol68]

I was pointing out that to predict 2-2 is to get to the final is more than predicting a draw, it is to predict victory in a two-legged tie. That could be construed as cocky.

I think 15 minutes into Tuesday game I would have gladly gone straight to penalties, we were that bad.

As soon as it went to penalties though, I knew we wouldn't do it. I associate penalties with defeat. I am English after all.

Sorry, what did you predict before the game?

And wasn;t your prediction for the AC Man Utd game 2-1 to Milan and that's you as a Chelsea supporter. Do you think it is cocky of a Man Utd supporter to predict 2-2?

Anyway, I hope your lot have been keeping the Premiership trophy sparkling, afterall we did a good job with your League Cup.

 

[Termite Man]

Oh right, clearly the Roma fans should have travelled their expecting a 7-1 kicking, what arrogant tossers they are!

No I'd expect the roma fans to be going there maybe expecting a tight game and maybe holding utd to a 1-1 draw or a 1 goal win .

 

[tarannau]

Go back and read what i've posted you stupid cunt.

Ah, the poor ickle numpty's got angry again

Wah!