It would be if it were true.Attica said:They have just given nearly 300 orgs the right to check ALL your phone records and they do not have to say why. THis is an outrageous affront to and very dangerous for civil liberty.
But it isn't.

It would be if it were true.Attica said:They have just given nearly 300 orgs the right to check ALL your phone records and they do not have to say why. THis is an outrageous affront to and very dangerous for civil liberty.

detective-boy said:It would be if it were true.
But it isn't.![]()
Once a prick, always a prick. Why worry about the true situation when you can go round scaring people with imaginary bollocks....Attica said:I do not trust police apologists, such so until I see evidence I will believe the source I have read thanks.

detective-boy said:I think it will only be because of increased pressure for police accountability.
Every officer I have spoken to about the pilots has serious doubts about whether it is worth the massive expense ... not in terms of the kit but in terms of storing, documenting and managing the recorded footage in an evidentially sound way ...
If you want to increase bureaucracy and keep even more officers off the street, this is a good way to start ...
It certainly has that effect ... but the upside of reduced contested cases will be way, way, way exceeded by the bureaucracy of filing and documenting billions of hours of useless footage.Giles said:Do you think? I was thinking that maybe when people are confronted with a video of their shockingly bad behaviour (I am thinking especially of the chucking out time fights, rowdiness, assaulting police, etc) that more of them would plead guilty, saving time and effort.
detective-boy said:Once a prick, always a prick. Why worry about the true situation when you can go round scaring people with imaginary bollocks....![]()

Trying to educate the ignorant (that's you!) about what law, practice and procedure actually is is not being a "police apologist".Attica said:You are the biggest prick around here - you police apologist twat you.![]()

detective-boy said:Trying to educate the ignorant (that's you!) about what law, practice and procedure actually is is not being a "police apologist".
Clearly English Language is another area in which you need remedial classes ...![]()
No. I know you are a police apologist. SImple as. Twat.

It's this:Radar said:Ignoring the willy-waving arsehole for a second, has anyone got a url for the changes that have come in/are about to come in regarding phone call data retention ?
Oh fuck off. They were a pair of woodentop morons attempting to throw their weight around; and, came unstuck. If he’s not the sharpest knife in the box; and your chums couldn’t deal with him, in a dignified way – well, what hope for society?detective-boy said:Police training today ...![]()
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I hope he complained.
That said, it was a little rich for the film maker to claim he was "Minding his own business" (when, in fact, he was minding the business of the kid getting stopped) and that his "privacy is being invaded" (when he wsas invading the privacy of the kid getting stopped).
He's also not the sharpest knife in the box, asking for their names as they walked off when he had their badges visible for three minutes right in front of him ...
(For the record, although filming the police is not an offence in itself, there may be situations in which it is - if it is likely to cause a breach of the peace (e.g. if the kid getting stopped had gone off on one because of it); if it is obstructing officers in the execution of their duty (e.g. filming surveillance officers and giving away their operation) or if it is some sort of public nuisance (e.g. extreme behaviour which is preventing a normal police / public relationship). At least the first and last of these could be committed in a private place as well as in a public place.)
And the woodentops on film...detective-boy said:Trying to educate the ignorant (that's you!) about what law, practice and procedure actually is is not being a "police apologist".
What? The ones I said "Police training today ...Urbanblues said:And the woodentops on film...
I hope he complained." about. 
Urbanblues said:Oh fuck off. They were a pair of woodentop morons attempting to throw their weight around; and, came unstuck. If he’s not the sharpest knife in the box; and your chums couldn’t deal with him, in a dignified way – well, what hope for society?
The Cauldron said:Morons with video cameras and normal cameras should keep the lenses on things they hace permission to film.