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Make Bono history

Discussion in 'world politics, current affairs and news' started by nogojones, Sep 24, 2013.

  1. Awesome Wells

    Awesome Wells charged vacuum emboitment Banned

    How to Win Friends and Influence People by Butchersapron. Available in no good book stores, or indeed anywhere.
     
  2. NoXion

    NoXion Give me space communism or give me death

    Which unseen guiding force is that? I didn't see any mentioned in the link. It seems to me to be talking about group-centred versus individual-centred analysis, and how the latter has come to dominate the discourse in economics and other fields.

    Well, I knew beforehand that economics favours individualised analysis, even if I couldn't explicate the specifics. This section is particularly interesting:

    "It is possible to identify three waves of MI in the history of social science. The first wave was from the end of the 19th century to the beginning of the 20th, when the social sciences were established as academic disciplines. In this period, MI was represented with the Austrian school of economics. The second wave occurred during and after World War II, when the methodological issue became associated with the ideological battle between individualists and collectivists. In this period, MI was defended, above all, by Karl Popper and his followers. The third period was the latter three decades of the 20th century, when the rational choice approach increasingly gained ground and spread from economics to the other social sciences."


    I suppose one could take the above as evidence of the totalitarian nature of capitalism, but religious? Unless all ideology is religion, I don't think so.
     
  3. NoXion

    NoXion Give me space communism or give me death

    What evidence do you have that such practices, assuming for the sake of argument they actually exist, constitute a significant contribution to the spread of Ebola versus people touching bodies or breaking quarantine for reasons that have nothing to do with religion?
     
  4. Awesome Wells

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  5. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    All you saw in that link was group vs individual. Congratulations - you can't see theology! It's been normalised and made your common sense. Why on earth would the profit-seeking individual be questioned - it's the very cornerstone of reality. Rather than being an unseen ineffable set of ideological assumptions. A totem. A fetish. Something theistic. But most defintely not religious. Oh no.

    No idea what you're on about with the second lot. More lego.
     
  6. NoXion

    NoXion Give me space communism or give me death

    From your link:

    "Peter Piot, the director of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, said worsening conditions in West Africa contribute to a “perfect storm,” including a growing population, decades of civil war, widespread government corruption, dysfunctional health systems and a growing distrust in Western medicine."

    Don't you think those wider, more universal factors might have a greater impact on the spread of Ebola?
     
  7. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Have a read of this you 19th century goon wells. Read the last five points in summary. Then stop posting this spook shit.
     
  8. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Actually, fuck it, because you won't read it:

     
  9. NoXion

    NoXion Give me space communism or give me death

    Except that I do question the "profit-seeking individual". There's nothing common sense about it in my experience - I don't seek profits myself, and I've yet to meet anyone in my social circle who does (as opposed to just wanting more money/a better quality of life), so that economist's construction is an abstract chimera that has no relevance to my life as I actually live it, and the fact that the functioning of the world is based on that fabrication is a massive on-going tragedy.
     
  10. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    It doesn't matter if you do or not. That economics does is the point. You = not relevant. That you now recognise this as an abstract chimera - a fabrication made by humans, oh yes, it sounds ever more def nothing like theology, like religion by the minute.
     
  11. Awesome Wells

    Awesome Wells charged vacuum emboitment Banned

    Quite possibly.

    I'm not there, though, I'm not on the ground in the hot zone. I have only what is reported to go on.

    It's also about the attitudes religion fosters with regard to diseases as well. Blaming it on gays etc. Same thing with aids.
     
  12. NoXion

    NoXion Give me space communism or give me death

    Not all abstractions are religious. Is mathematics a religion because it has abstractions?
     
  13. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model The word of Sin is Restriction

  14. Awesome Wells

    Awesome Wells charged vacuum emboitment Banned

    what is 'spook shit'?
     
  15. Awesome Wells

    Awesome Wells charged vacuum emboitment Banned

    your lack of imagination is not my problem
     
  16. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model The word of Sin is Restriction

    are you leaving your corpse to a coven of necrophiles?
     
  17. NoXion

    NoXion Give me space communism or give me death

    A common factor in reports from the area is a lack of resources and trained bodies, more so than religion I would say. Unless you have evidence otherwise, then we should consider manpower and resources, and not religion, to be the main thing driving the spread of Ebola.
     
  18. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Lego answer. Lego question. Irrelevant.
     
  19. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model The word of Sin is Restriction

    perhaps you could expand on this attitude you claim religion fosters with regard to disease. do you feel this is something which happens in all religions or just in one or two - and if the latter, perhaps you could name them.
     
  20. Awesome Wells

    Awesome Wells charged vacuum emboitment Banned

    I don't think I said it was the main reason.
     
  21. NoXion

    NoXion Give me space communism or give me death

    I point out that the economic individual is an abstraction. You say "herr derr totes not like religion". I reply that abstractions are not limited to religion. Your response is to dribble about fucking lego. Do you actually want to have a discussion, or shall we skip straight to calling each other cunts?
     
  22. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model The word of Sin is Restriction

    easy there! there's another 324 posts before that's timetabled to happen.
     
  23. NoXion

    NoXion Give me space communism or give me death

    And I asked if it was significant. Is it?
     
  24. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    You've already done that i think. If you can't get the point that it's possible for a phenomenon to have contingent characteristics other than its essential defining ones and so talking of the former is worthless in terms of definition then yeah, wasting my time. You might as well talk about lego. It's really not that difficult though.
     
  25. Awesome Wells

    Awesome Wells charged vacuum emboitment Banned

    I believe it is. Religion is a massive element in these societies.
     
  26. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    But lol, i can only see theistic thinking if i'm told it's theistic by itself. It must formally declare itself.
     
  27. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model The word of Sin is Restriction

    and by massive you mean...
     
  28. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    And all the kissing on the lips and that. Ugh.
     
  29. Awesome Wells

    Awesome Wells charged vacuum emboitment Banned

    You still haven't explained what 'spook shit' is.

    Still not entirely sure why you think i ought to pay you any heed either, demanding I read your wackly little links.
     
  30. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model The word of Sin is Restriction

    :confused:
     
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