cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Have you asked them if that's the reason?
Majority-Scabbing: what to do about it?
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Have you asked them if that's the reason?
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
You can't pin them down on it. People just titter, make excuses to end the conversation and the like. A few have openly said they "just want a quiet life" - as if rolling over sideways all the time was the best way to do this (so long as the jackal mauls soemone else, they're happy).
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Sounds as if you're getting nowhere fast. Have you thought about applying for at FTO position? Your skills might be better suited there.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
It wouldn't sove the problem, though. I wish TU activists would remain "at the coalface" and try to change attitudes rather than retreat to FTO jobs or 100% fac-time roles where they're surrounded by the comfort of like-minded people but are "generals without an army", tbh.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
I agree.
But you've been posting about your frustration for a long time now. If what matters to you is workers rights and workplace organisation (and you're obviously not getting anywhere in your current situation) then you need to make some personal decisions about what to do next - or else end up embittered, which isn't an attractive quality for the purposes of attracting enthusiastic membership wherever you happen to work.
dennisr
the acceptable face
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
dennisr
the acceptable face
you don't say *shocked*
the button
out on the kocker
Just out of interest, at what level of union posts does the 100% facilities thing kick in?
I rose to the heady heights of Regional Secretary (heh) in the old CPSA, that was 70%, and it didn't matter how many other posts I had*, this was the limit. The only 100% posts were Section Secretary (i.e. the national secretary for the union in that particular bit of the civil service) and Section TU Side Secretary (i.e. doing the Whitley council stuff with management at a national level).
* This included some national posts, e.g. on the national equal opps sub-committee.
I'd never have a 70% posts again, tbh (even if the members would elect me
), because it was so damned hard to stay in touch with what was happening in the workplace. Any road up, here's a list of tips for union reps I wrote that came out of that experience, for you to use, ignore, or take the piss out of.
http://libcom.org/node/9063
dennisr
the acceptable face
indeed, and in one's own way the embittered one can end up becoming a prop for the very things they once railed against
that can also be seen as a partial explaination of the growth in support for fascist ideas in a period of defeat
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
I've got some pratt rasing a disaplinary greivence against me becuase i said openly on the staff forum that the union weren't going to make up news about his offices redundancy as we didn't know anything and haven't even start consultation on it. he's complaint is we're not doing enough to sort it out which we can't legally do until the consulation period starts....
bascially he's pissed off at having to wait fo rhis redundancy and that the union aren't hurrying that along. It was when i pointed out unions aren't in the habit of pushing for people to lose their jobs that the greivence has been raised.
He's an idiot though as in this place raising an unfounded greivence against any staff member is a gross miscounduct charge if he pursues it to the end then hell be doublley fucked as no other rep will represent him in the hearing and he'll lose any redundancy coming to him by virtue of being fired...
why in this situation people can't be more moderate i have no idea. I understand it's an uncertain time for people when you are on notice of probable redundancy but there's about a 20% increase in disaplinaries purely borught about by peoples unreasonable actions due to this. whilst of course the union would like to see full retention most of the staff and members want the cash so why the hell they'd fuck themseleves for the sake of a few months is beyond me it seems woefully stupid.
bascially he's pissed off at having to wait fo rhis redundancy and that the union aren't hurrying that along. It was when i pointed out unions aren't in the habit of pushing for people to lose their jobs that the greivence has been raised.
He's an idiot though as in this place raising an unfounded greivence against any staff member is a gross miscounduct charge if he pursues it to the end then hell be doublley fucked as no other rep will represent him in the hearing and he'll lose any redundancy coming to him by virtue of being fired...
why in this situation people can't be more moderate i have no idea. I understand it's an uncertain time for people when you are on notice of probable redundancy but there's about a 20% increase in disaplinaries purely borught about by peoples unreasonable actions due to this. whilst of course the union would like to see full retention most of the staff and members want the cash so why the hell they'd fuck themseleves for the sake of a few months is beyond me it seems woefully stupid.
Straight answer, picket the strike with the branch officials. This will make sure that they do actually stand out in the cold and picket and also give them a bit of encouragement that they have one member showing solidarity. By the time of the next strike (it sounds like you have several strikes) aim get just one other fellow worker with you on strike by asking everyone you know.
You only have to picket during the time when people arrive for work. Make sure you have a flask of hot drink to hand. The rest of the day is still yours.
You only have to picket during the time when people arrive for work. Make sure you have a flask of hot drink to hand. The rest of the day is still yours.
glenquagmire
Rightwing NuLab apologist
Thanks, button. I found that interesting.
Plenty of branch secretaries I know in my union are 100% fac time, especially in the public sector.
Plenty of branch secretaries I know in my union are 100% fac time, especially in the public sector.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Garf - sometimes it helps a redundancy situation if there are people keen to take redundancy without going through the consultation process. It means that in a redundancy pool where a number of people have to be selected, there are fewer people to be selected from those that don't want redundancy. Whilst the union should (quite rightly) be aiming to minimise the number of redundancies overall & ensuring a fair selection process; in the event that some redundancies are inevitable it's potentially* helpful if someone steps forward.
* Not always.
* Not always.
the button
out on the kocker
Cheers, glen.
Blimey -- Branch Secretaries on 100%, eh? When I was a Branch Secretary, we were on 1 or 2 days a week, IIRC. But we were happy.
They still are. I don't know where people are getting the 100% from. It doesn't apply to education or hospitals.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Tried and failed. Still just a procession of familiar faces prancing into work as usual.
the button
out on the kocker
They still are. I don't know where people are getting the 100% from. It doesn't apply to education or hospitals.
Ah right. One of the things that struck me when I changed job & joined Amicus (as it then was) was the number of full-timers, and how low down the union heirarchy the full-time posts kicked it. For instance, my current branch sec is an FTO, in a huge branch covering lots of different voluntary sector employers.
In the old CPSA (dunno about PCS, but probably the same), the branch sec was annually elected and covered a relatively small number of workplaces. This said, there was a move towards (geographically) larger branches, mostly as an attempt by the then-right wing leadership to stop branch committees from meeting regularly & being as effective.
glenquagmire
Rightwing NuLab apologist
The ones I was referring to are GMB branch secs. Mostly on 100% fac time in local authorities or other public sector organisations across multiple workplaces in my experience.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
in this case it's going to be 100% of the staff no exceptions par tof the rationaliseation of the civil service although the cost savings to be made will be an extra 150 million in treasury funds per department... the money should however be recovered by around 2012 2014, which is all well and good until you find out they are looking at reestablishing what we have now in around 2014... at a projected cost of 200 million... still it gives white hall summit to do whent hey move the paper from in tray 1 to intray 2 and then back again eh?
How can you have a 'majority' scabbing..... it's the minority who are out-of-step....
... as an honorary member of the cod left scrolling this thread with bated breath I'm still waiting for the 'proper' left to tell me how a proper strike should be organised......
... however...
... as an honorary member of the cod left scrolling this thread with bated breath I'm still waiting for the 'proper' left to tell me how a proper strike should be organised......
... however...
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
in this case it's going to be 100% of the staff no exceptions par tof the rationaliseation of the civil service although the cost savings to be made will be an extra 150 million in treasury funds per department... the money should however be recovered by around 2012 2014, which is all well and good until you find out they are looking at reestablishing what we have now in around 2014... at a projected cost of 200 million... still it gives white hall summit to do whent hey move the paper from in tray 1 to intray 2 and then back again eh?
Good grief.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
So, what do you call a situation where the vast majority of the union membership of a worksite ignore a democratically-called strike and prance into work?
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
An average workplace? Sadly that is my experience.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Mine too - I'm just flabberghasted at so much of the left's determination not to see the elephant in the living room.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
innit ... henc ethe itchy feet and aggrod formt eh member of staff who want's their money now (along with if they can swing it 9 months in lew of notice and a number of other demands which of course they are bending over backwards to include in the package while they lambast all insunderay...
tbh iw as going to knock it all on the head last week ... it's not that it's overly stressful or a thankless task but sometimes you want to chocke the livign crap out of people for fucking themselve so royally in the arse 6 months before most of them get the biggest cash payout they have ever seen in their lives...
for many this redundancy will be a king maker so you'd thik that for the sake of such a short time you'd stop any action which would prevent you getting the prize at the end... but no... 3 more people acting up to the point of disaplinaries again today...
It's stupid and who only knows what's going to happen once they think they are bullet proof when they get their actual notice...
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Can't see the wood for the trees I guess, and also possibly worrying that in 6 months the Civil Service may have had a rethink and the redundancy deal will be off the table ... who can say.
If it's large scale numbers, the Civil Service's hands are pretty much tied anyway in terms of serving notice before the end of the consultation period, maybe they need to communicate that a bit better?
Bullet proof on being given notice - no. But you already know that ...
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
yup tha'ts about the size of it.. sadly i think at present i'm one of 12 or so people who'd be bloody retained...
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