Mad Antizionists take a pasting - Result

[butchersapron]

What every academic means with it.

salaam.

Not all academics mean the same thing. What do *you* mean?

 

[Aldebaran]

It is the opposite of purely emotionally driven approach.

salaam.

 

[butchersapron]

It is the opposite of purely emotionally driven approach.

salaam.

Ah, i get it, you're not actually an academic. Thanks for clearing that one up.

1 down.

 

[phildwyer]

Sorry to correct you on your "knowledge" of Islam. Not even in the earliest time of scholarship there was a clear answer to this mainly theologically directed discourse.

Is it possible that with Muhammed prophethood came to its conclusion and closure? It is.
It is possible that it is not? It is.

The core of that question brings us straight to the other one and around which it turns: How to describe and evaluate Al Qur'an, yes or no to be seen as created in time or as eternally and ever-existent. Also a question discussed since the beginning of Islam.

I'm an academic. I leave all options open and can discuss them all.
Most Muslims are not academics and even among the academics there are many who close the door to any discussion of difficult/uneasy questions with "Allah knows Best".
Indeed. But God gave us our brain to work with it and because of that my answer to the question about the prophethood is that there is no satisfying answer to get it over and done with.

We can create now a theological discussion to explore the options and have you understand why there can't be a satisfying answer. I fear it would take very much time to explain in detail to have you follow the reasoning behind all of it.
So simply said:
If you conclude Al Qur'an is eternal, you deny God the option to change, which you can't by logic that God is the uncreated all powerful Creator of all.
Hence if you conclude Muhammed is the seal of the Prophethood, you deny God that same option.
So the most logical answer would be: Al Qur'an is eternal and Muhammed is the seal of Prophethood unless and until God wants it to be otherwise.
That is the option you need to leave open, by necessity.
That this is not something Muslims you know come up with daily can't be my concern.

salaam.

Your refusal to answer a perfectly simple question in the way that every single Muslim in the world would answer it proves that you are not a Muslim. You Sir are a fraud, a phoney and a wind-up merchant, albeit a highly entertaining one.

 

[Fedayn]

You Sir are a fraud, a phoney and a wind-up merchant, albeit a highly entertaining one.

You're 2/4 aswell Phillip, you're doing well today.

 

[Aldebaran]

Of course. (I would call a nurse but I'm afraid you are beyond rescue).

You must be very bored to go on yet again an other tour of this worn out type "posts".
Here is an option for you, phildwyer: Make a thread. Title and content of no importance, most of the time you don't have much to say anyway. I suspect on purpose.

salaam.

 

[phildwyer]

salaam.

You're pretty good though, I have to admit. I reckon 90% of people on here think you're a Muslim. I think I'll stop disabusing them too, you're well worth the entertainment value.

Salaam.

 

[Aldebaran]

Ah, i get it, you're not actually an academic. Thanks for clearing that one up.

1 down.

No, I was born with all knowledge but still, I had to do my exams. You know, these little steps you need to make do to get a degree. Maybe you can buy those sheets of paper where you live?

salaam.

 

[butchersapron]

Having a degree makes you an academic? Is this what you're saying?

 

[phildwyer]

Maybe you can buy those sheets of paper where you live?

Insh'allah.

Can you teach me how to do it too?

 

[phildwyer]

No, I was born with all knowledge

But surely all those who follow the way of the Prophet (PBUH) are endowed with all knowledge from their mother's womb even unto the grave?

This ain't as hard as it looks actually.

 

[Aldebaran]

You're pretty good though, I have to admit. I reckon 90% of people on here think you're a Muslim. I think I'll stop disabusing them too, you're well worth the entertainment value.

Salaam.

The entertainment on my side, or I would not put time in reading your posts, let alone in typing a reply.
And that as intellectual I'm more advanced than you is no miracle. That I am Muslim is no miracle either. It all came with God's decision to let me be born how and where I was born. God choses who He wants. Maybe not known to non Muslims, that.

salaam.

 

[Aldebaran]

Having a degree makes you an academic? Is this what you're saying?

It gives you an academic title. It doesn't mean the holder acts (let alone reasons) like an academic is supposed to.

salaam.

 

[butchersapron]

It gives you an academic title. It doesn't mean the holder acts (let alone reasons) like an academic is supposed to.

salaam.

Does it mean that you're an academic and is this the sense in which you've repeatdly used the term 'academic' on here? (someone who has a degree)

 

[Aldebaran]

But surely all those who follow the way of the Prophet (PBUH) are endowed with all knowledge from their mother's womb even unto the grave?

This ain't as hard as it looks actually.

If I were you I would try to seek true knowledge of Islam, not the "let's feel good" nonsensical declamations you seem to absorb by preference, or - need it be said - sheer ignorance.

salaam.

 

[Aldebaran]

Does it mean that you're an academic and is this the sense in which you've repeatdly used the term 'academic' on here? (someone who has a degree)

I hold more than one degree, in various fields, but it is the approach that matters, not the degree. A degree is not an aim it is a result you get, almost inevitably, but a sheet of paper has no more worth than the value of the paper and the ink written on it.

salaam.

 

[butchersapron]

So what do you mean when you call yourself 'an academic'?

 

[Aldebaran]

It means I can't avoid being one, reasoning like one and to found eventual comments, thoughts, conclusions on academic approach.
I must get very emotionally involved to be able to overlook that. It can happen of course, but I try to avoid it any time. You will seldom see me posting here on the ME forum

salaam

 

[butchersapron]

So, it means that you're not one. That you're not actually an academic.

 

[Aldebaran]

So you think I have no academic degree. OK then.
Is this something I need to stay awake about, for some mysterious reason?

salaam.

 

[butchersapron]

So you *do* simply mean someone with a degree is an academic?

 

[phildwyer]

So, it means that you're not one. That you're not actually an academic.

No. It means that by the will of the prophet he can't fail not to be one whenever the infidel is ignorant enough to betray his foolishness by jesting at one who may be the direct descendent of those whose wisdom was endowed by the grace of will even unto the ends of sometimes.

 

[phildwyer]

So you *do* simply mean someone with a degree is an academic?

No. He means that those whose minds are sufficiently devoid of true faith to unrealize that the most merciful high one is by the grace of the prophet condemned unto eternal foolhardiness might be unwilling to slander and disabuse the needless stupidity of him who would dare to question the desire of the ancient father whose seed was to fulfill the questionaire of the lowest of all worms imaginable unto the spirit of all.

Salaam.

 

[phildwyer]

Sorry to correct you on your "knowledge" of Islam. Not even in the earliest time of scholarship there was a clear answer to this mainly theologically directed discourse.

Is it possible that with Muhammed prophethood came to its conclusion and closure? It is.
It is possible that it is not? It is.

The core of that question brings us straight to the other one and around which it turns: How to describe and evaluate Al Qur'an, yes or no to be seen as created in time or as eternally and ever-existent. Also a question discussed since the beginning of Islam.

I'm an academic. I leave all options open and can discuss them all.
Most Muslims are not academics and even among the academics there are many who close the door to any discussion of difficult/uneasy questions with "Allah knows Best".
Indeed. But God gave us our brain to work with it and because of that my answer to the question about the prophethood is that there is no satisfying answer to get it over and done with.

We can create now a theological discussion to explore the options and have you understand why there can't be a satisfying answer. I fear it would take very much time to explain in detail to have you follow the reasoning behind all of it.
So simply said:
If you conclude Al Qur'an is eternal, you deny God the option to change, which you can't by logic that God is the uncreated all powerful Creator of all.
Hence if you conclude Muhammed is the seal of the Prophethood, you deny God that same option.
So the most logical answer would be: Al Qur'an is eternal and Muhammed is the seal of Prophethood unless and until God wants it to be otherwise.
That is the option you need to leave open, by necessity.
That this is not something Muslims you know come up with daily can't be my concern.

salaam.

Aldeberan, I just re-read this and I think I understand you better now. You're making a serious point, fair enough. But I have two questions:

1. Do you believe that there have been any prophets *since* Muhammed?

2. Is believing in the possibility of a *future* prophet, as you do, compatible with Islam?