Mac sales fall, windows PCs up 7%
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stupid kid
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I ditched windows because it was too expensive compared to Unbuntu. (Not to mention shit).
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hiraethified
You paid for Windows?!
stupid kid
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Oh the shame.
I paid for it in the sense that it came with bundled my previous computer. When that broke, I assumed I'd be able to just pop my xp disc in my new box, and found out that my copy of windows was essentially attached to my old pc, and wouldn't install on a non-dell. Apparently there is a way around it, it involves contacting ms and asking really nicely. They can fuck off though.
ETA: Knew I shoudda spent 6-8 hours reading and considering the legal rammifications of the EULA, but I was young and foolish.
pk
drink flounce rinse repeat
Going back to the netbook comments, I don't know why Apple didn't do one either, there doesn't seem to be a clear technical reason.
I managed recently to pick up a s/h 12" Powerbook G4 and installed Tiger on it, works like a dream, and that's on a six year old machine.
I managed recently to pick up a s/h 12" Powerbook G4 and installed Tiger on it, works like a dream, and that's on a six year old machine.
Piers Gibbon
Well-Known Member
I'd like a mac netbook too please
Teepee
like livewire voodoo
Going to an older version wouldn't really be an option for apple, as OS9 was built on entirely different code, for an entirely different architecture. Moving to x86/BSD was a very smart move IMO.
From what I've read in the news, Apple may be coming out with a touchscreen netbook in the near future. I'm wondering whether they'll go for Atom or ARM.
All this said, I'd never buy an Apple product as I think their attitude stinks.
pk
drink flounce rinse repeat
Attitude to what?
They might not be 100 percent ethical but they're a damn sight better than Microsoft in every way.
pk
drink flounce rinse repeat
That's what I said when I realised that Microshaft were bribing console games developers to delay the release of their big titles on other platforms to force people into buying an X-Box.
For example, as a Nintendo Wii owner I'm still waiting for Rock Band 2, which has been out for months on the X-Box, but due to Microsloth's backhand bribery it won't be out on the Wii (even though it's ready to be shipped) for several more months yet.
Yup, great business ethic there.
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
Oh, right. Microsoft invented the platform exclusive, I'd forgotten that. Possibly because it's not true. Nintendo themselves have played that game in the past. The only difference now is that with cross-platform development kits you're a lot more likely to actually see the game on your platform of choice. Just six months later is all.
ExtraRefined
Better than you at everything you love
Like it or not, that sort of behaviour has been part of the console business since it started. You can't compete in the market without exclusives, and you don't get exclusives without paying for them.
If you really think tying in software to hardware is so bad, how can you support Apple having an EULA which forbids you from installing a retail copy of OS X on anything but their hardware?
Jonti
what the dormouse said
Anyone getting thier first system (there are still plenty of folks who've never had their own 'puter) would be well advised to chose Ubuntu.
It's far better laid out and easier to use. The security is excellent too. And the price is right!
To be fair, Apple's never released a product like the XBox on the market, with 10times the failure rate of its competitors, consistent hardware fail despite revisions and needing to be heavily subsidised to gain market share. In fact it's taken until about now for the XBox division to make even the slightest profit, notwithstanding the 1 billion $ contingency fund MS had to put aside to cover returns.
It's a hell of a way to buy your way into a market and batter the opposition with an inferior, faulty product. That hardly speaks of a company committed to the highest quality experience for its users, nor one willing not to abuse its market position and monopoly profits to enter another sector.
It's a hell of a way to buy your way into a market and batter the opposition with an inferior, faulty product. That hardly speaks of a company committed to the highest quality experience for its users, nor one willing not to abuse its market position and monopoly profits to enter another sector.
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hiraethified
They're still pocket-lining, cash-raking, corporate cunts like the rest of them though.
ChrisFilter
Like a boss.
Well, you could argue that they've brought current-gen gaming to the masses. £100 for a fantastic console with the best games catalogue is very attractive, even if the failure rate isn't.
At the risk of coming over all Lynn Faulds Wood, releasing a console onto the market with a failure rate of nigh on 30% is just disrespectful. Fortunately they've got the cash reserves to provide a decent returns and replace policy, but it's a shitty way to do business. Grab customers in with a subsidised product, bind them in with (comparatively) expensive games and there's a big disincentive to change platform no matter how dodgy the consoles are. I strongly suspect that MS knew failure rates were going to be massive - even the macs with watercoolers struggled with the same family of chips for christ's sake - but thought it was better just to be first to market, whatever the cost to the customer or themselves. Fuck them.
We're not talking a small increase in failure rates here - it's a near unprecedented tale of faulty manufacture in the consumer electronics/console sector. This should be a scandal to rival GM's Corsair car debacle in some ways, albeit that your console's slightly less likely to veer off the road and burn you to death. Either way it's a company with little respect for its customers.
We're not talking a small increase in failure rates here - it's a near unprecedented tale of faulty manufacture in the consumer electronics/console sector. This should be a scandal to rival GM's Corsair car debacle in some ways, albeit that your console's slightly less likely to veer off the road and burn you to death. Either way it's a company with little respect for its customers.
g force
Affects Shatner's Basoon
What like the 1st Gen iPod with dodgy batteries
The XBox thing is interesting....I wonder if the rush was to beat Sony who then delayed their next gen console anyway but which point the marketing/hype was in full force and they couldn't delay so shipped an inferior product.
Same thing with Vista...all the user groups pointed out the problems and MS just said "yeah maybe, but we're launching".
ChrisFilter
Like a boss.
At the risk of coming over all Lynn Faulds Wood, releasing a console onto the market with a failure rate of nigh on 30% is just disrespectful. Fortunately they've got the cash reserves to provide a decent returns and replace policy, but it's a shitty way to do business. Grab customers in with a subsidised product, bind them in with (comparatively) expensive games and there's a big disincentive to change platform no matter how dodgy the consoles are. I strongly suspect that MS knew failure rates were going to be massive - even the macs with watercoolers struggled with the same family of chips for christ's sake - but thought it was better just to be first to market, whatever the cost to the customer or themselves. Fuck them.
We're not talking a small increase in failure rates here - it's a near unprecedented tale of faulty manufacture in the consumer electronics/console sector. This should be a scandal to rival GM's Corsair car debacle in some ways, albeit that your console's slightly less likely to veer off the road and burn you to death. Either way it's a company with little respect for its customers.
The games aren't comparatively expensive.
Your points are valid, but for me, I'm getting a great console for £100. I'm happy.
What like the 1st Gen iPod with dodgy batteries
The XBox thing is interesting....I wonder if the rush was to beat Sony who then delayed their next gen console anyway but which point the marketing/hype was in full force and they couldn't delay so shipped an inferior product.
Same thing with Vista...all the user groups pointed out the problems and MS just said "yeah maybe, but we're launching".
Heh. I even had one of them dodgy batteries as well - most annoying at the time. To be fair, the issue was easily solved and seemed to be a genuine manufacturing defect, rather than something that persisted after redesigns and assurances.
I'm not the greatest fan of Windows admittedly, but MS's attitude towards its customers (paraphrases as 'fuck you and your concerns, we're launching an incomplete/faulty product anyway') makes them one of the least likeable corporates in my book. They only get away with it because of the dependence and cash reserves built up by their monopolistic behaviour. i worry about trivial things like where my pasta's being sourced for christsakes - I'm hardly going to be keen to support MS.
ChrisFilter
Like a boss.
I worry about your pasta as well
Course they are. That's why they subsidise the hardware of the console under the premise they'll make up the money on games and by hooking people in.
And that's why MS's actions in releasing a seriously flawed product seem calculated and cynical.
I worry about your pasta as well
No shitty Iceland pasta from Slough here. Only good snobby Italian brands.
The point is that I try and shop vaguely ethically, even if I fail miserably a fair bit of the time. But I'm certainly not able to defend MS and their shitty business practices.
ChrisFilter
Like a boss.
Ah, you meant compared to the console, not other platforms.
ChrisFilter
Like a boss.
No shitty Iceland pasta from Slough here. Only good snobby Italian brands.
The point is that I try and shop vaguely ethically, even if I fail miserably a fair bit of the time. But I'm certainly not able to defend MS and their shitty business practices.
Nor Apple's then, I suppose.
I'm more able to defend Apple's policies than most to be fair. They're a bit of a poncy cash-grabbing corporate with a habit of greenwashing of late, but they're also far more consistent and user focussed than their peers. There's certainly little to compare to the XBox scandal, MS's anti-competitive actions and market abuse. Maybe that's damning them with very faint praise, but ethical consumer electronics and computing's a tough one.
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hiraethified
They're fucking shit like the rest of them. Despite their pockets stuffed full with zillions of dollars of profits, they're still one of the five least environment-friendly electronics companies according to Greenpeace, with shitty Microsoft even higher up.
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