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Luton deducted another 20 points by those cnuts at the football league

Will Luton Town survive this season?

  • Yes, I think Luton can avoid the drop

    Votes: 5 21.7%

  • No, 30 points is just too much to make up

    Votes: 17 73.9%

  • Mick Harford is God

    Votes: 1 4.3%
  • Total voters
    23
Brixton Hatter

Brixton Hatter

Home is south London mate
So, we've had another 20 points deducted for failing to meet the insolvency rules, on top of the 10 points already deducted for, well, doing not much wrong at all.

We've now been deducted 40 points in the last 6 months or so.

I just dont understand it, it's totally wrong. Avoiding relegation to the conference starting the season with minus 30 points is going to be interesting. Has this ever happend before in football history? Only Swindon I guess.....

I'm off to hunt down Brian Mahwinney....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/luton_town/7500435.stm
 
Brixton Hatter as far as i'm aware of your club's predicament. The new owners - the consortium headed by Nick Owen quickly spotted the irregularities by the previous owners didn't try to conceal them. Then asked the FA for advice and now suddenly deducted nearly 50 points. Thus certain relegation to the Conference (now Blue Square Premiership). The decision is a bit of a disgrace.
 
woah, that is harsh. i can udnerstand that there are good reasons for punishments, but that's too much IMO.
 
The Football League have always hated us - ever since the plastic pitch and the away fans ban. It's a bit late to be getting back at us now.

Leeds = deducted 15 points for Ken Bate's dodgy buying back of the club he made insolvent

West Ham = no points dedcuted for gaining a material advantage on the field of play with two ineligible players....and avoiding relegation to boot

Luton = deducted a total of 40 points for a) breaching a rule on a technicality re transfers that gained us no advantage, and b) going into administration.

I cant even see how our administration position is worse than Leeds' was. Why have we been deducted 5 points more for doing something less bad than Leeds??

This is a disgrace. What world do the football authorities live in?

Fuck em.

:mad::mad::mad:
 
Shit the bed.

I reckon the football league have been paid off by mkdons in the vague hope that they can steal all of lutons fans.

poor luton:(

I can't belive they would deduct that many points. Why not just do 15 points for the next two seasons or something, no reason to put the club out of business.

Still the old biddies of Harpenden will be happy. No new stadium increasing traffic in the village now.


dave
 
That stings a bit, I reckon there's a wasp on the FA board.

Removing the right to appeal stinks to high heaven. The penalty seems particularly malicious as, so far as I can tell, the fault lies entirely with previous owners. :(

Back of the envelope says we'll need to win all our home games to (just barely) avoid relegation.
 
Hmmm, not so sure tbh.

Luton have been in administration 3 times now, through repeated financial mismanagement. I do think the penalty is excessive, but not massively so. Football really needs to get its act in order and it needs to be clear that repeatedly going into administration isn't acceptable. So what else do you do?
 
I thought the FL were meant to promote football!

Sure Luton may have been into administration, but does it really deserve a punishmnet this severe?

It is simlar to the case of Wrexham, a club who were owned a cunt of a property developer who WANTED the club to die so he could realise the assets the club owned. So waht do the FL do, they dock the club 15 points, meaning certain relegation, and thus playing into his hands. wrexham was ruined by the FL in the same way that Luton will be, and who loses, the fans every time.

I would like to think that the chairmen of other clubs will get together and make some sort of stand about this, but can't see it happening. It may be Luton today, but could be the likes of Tranmere, Blackpool, Cardiff (have had their probs this season thru no fault of the current owners!) etc tomorrow. If you want to look at clubs who may well be technically insolvent maybe the football authorities could take a look at Chelski, but they would never think of docking them points, Whata bout Manure, upto their knackers in debt, but its OK cos they are a big club. The situation stinks and I am proposing that all fans of all clubs support Luton by attending their home games whenever they can because at the end of the day, there but for the grace of God(not that i belive in one, but you know what I mean) go every other club in football.
 
I know little about football, and tbh dont like it but...


this seems harsh

those points are punishing the fans and the football element for iffy business stuff.

surely if its a financial infringement thats got fuck all to do with league position and should be a financial penalty.

seems wrong to me

one of the reasons I dont like football is that the game seems secondary to the money these days.

sadly I can also see the beginnings of this starting to appear in Rugby too.
 
Pingu said:
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surely if its a financial infringement thats got fuck all to do with league position and should be a financial penalty.
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There's two problems with that.

Firstly, you can't really separate the two. A team with more money can spend more on players and will have an advantage over a team with less money. One way of spending more money on players which a number of clubs have taken is not to pay various other bills, usually the taxman.

Second, Luton are in administration. The whole reason they're in trouble is that they don't have any money, so how are they going to pay a fine of any size?
 
That's odd, sky sports have changed the conditions of the goldren share, and removed the one that said they can't appeal...

Maybe they got it wrong originally; the £500,000 must have been for the creditors. The £50,000 fine seems more in line with an administration penalty. My bad.
 
Just thinking about it a bit more.

It's obviously a really bad situation. Nobody wants to see a club getting such a huge penalty, it is shit for the Luton fans and it makes a bit of a mockery of the league as a contest.

Football really does need to get a grip on this happening though. Clubs are repeatedly going into administration, and every time it happens their creditors lose out - most get a very low payout in % terms. Every single club that has gone into administration has owed a big chunk of money to the St Johns Ambulance Brigade. It's not acceptable in my opinion.

As to why it happens, I don't think football at lower levels is financially unsustainable. Plenty of clubs do manage to remain solvent. It is a very competitive business though, and the number of good players is limited and there is competition for their signatures. So some teams over pay their players and don't pay their tax bills. If another team with a similar income wants to compete they have to do the same, or they can't keep up, which creates pressure on other clubs etc, etc.

So I'm not sure what else you do, really, aside from impose harsh penalties on clubs that don't manage themsleves properly?
 
Monkeygrinder's Organ said:
Just thinking about it a bit more.

It's obviously a really bad situation. Nobody wants to see a club getting such a huge penalty, it is shit for the Luton fans and it makes a bit of a mockery of the league as a contest.

Football really does need to get a grip on this happening though. Clubs are repeatedly going into administration, and every time it happens their creditors lose out - most get a very low payout in % terms. Every single club that has gone into administration has owed a big chunk of money to the St Johns Ambulance Brigade. It's not acceptable in my opinion.

As to why it happens, I don't think football at lower levels is financially unsustainable. Plenty of clubs do manage to remain solvent. It is a very competitive business though, and the number of good players is limited and there is competition for their signatures. So some teams over pay their players and don't pay their tax bills. If another team with a similar income wants to compete they have to do the same, or they can't keep up, which creates pressure on other clubs etc, etc.

So I'm not sure what else you do, really, aside from impose harsh penalties on clubs that don't manage themsleves properly?
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Here, here.

Football clubs seem to think thye should be immune form the normal rules of business, As a football fan I appreciate that there is more to pure business involved, fans etc,. but the truth is no money= no club.

The fact is every team that goes into administration owes money to St.J's as you stated, the taxman, local authorities for policing etc. Meanwhile football debts must be met in order for them to stay in the league. This is just wrong, why should they get away with it? Why should tax payers finance football?

As far as the St.J' debts go, surely teh football league and the PL could come to an agreement taht they will cover the costs of any club which reneges on the debts to what is at the end of the day a charity, and without whose contribution no football match in this country would take place!
 
As a fan of a certain other club to the North of London I'm saddened by a lot of so called football fans gloating about this. It is ridiculous, Nick Owen's consortium have tried to do things by the book, and Luton have already been punished by being deducted 10 points twice, this is just kicking them when they're down, and trying to sort their shit together.

Hope we play you lot again some day!
 
I was involved in a minor way with Luton some time back, to say that a bunch of crooks were either owning or lending to the owners would not be far from the truth.

Remember the plan to have a F1 circuit running over the M1 on the land that was owned by the club?

Just one of many pathetic ideas from the club in the last 10 years.

Meanwhile, they have repeatedly stuck to fingers up to the league. Chickens, roost, home unfortuately.

Hopefully the league will see that the new owners and the fans are the ones who have to pay (that is the rules) however, perhaps the payment is too high.
 
The good news is that bournemouth might be facing a 15 point deduction as well so luton are now only 15 points behind thier nearest rivals!


dave
 
Well thats some relegation places already decided then. This is getting ridiculous. Why not just put every club on -15 or 30 pts. I wonder if one of the big four were caught with these problems, if they would be deducted points?
 
apart from anything else it would be a different board/company/advisment panel that dealt twith it. The pl rather then the fl would be doing it.

Unless you mean, charlton, derby etc.

dave
 
1927 said:
I thought the FL were meant to promote football!

Sure Luton may have been into administration, but does it really deserve a punishmnet this severe?

It is simlar to the case of Wrexham, a club who were owned a cunt of a property developer who WANTED the club to die so he could realise the assets the club owned. So waht do the FL do, they dock the club 15 points, meaning certain relegation, and thus playing into his hands. wrexham was ruined by the FL in the same way that Luton will be, and who loses, the fans every time.

I would like to think that the chairmen of other clubs will get together and make some sort of stand about this, but can't see it happening. It may be Luton today, but could be the likes of Tranmere, Blackpool, Cardiff (have had their probs this season thru no fault of the current owners!) etc tomorrow. If you want to look at clubs who may well be technically insolvent maybe the football authorities could take a look at Chelski, but they would never think of docking them points, Whata bout Manure, upto their knackers in debt, but its OK cos they are a big club. The situation stinks and I am proposing that all fans of all clubs support Luton by attending their home games whenever they can because at the end of the day, there but for the grace of God(not that i belive in one, but you know what I mean) go every other club in football.
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^^ Exactly what I was thinking. You have my sympathies Brixton Hatter. It's a ridiculous situation
 
What happened to Wrexham was much, much worse than what has happened to Luton - the club were after all the intended (and actual) victim in the whole affair, the club only being saved from winding-up by the activism of the fans and a Court decision in their favour... for which success they were docked points by those utter wankers at the FL, who had lifted not a finger for the club when it was being deliberately killed off.

What is needed is for the responsibility for administration, breaches of rules etc to be translated into financial terms (fines) and bans from the game, and laid upon the relevant members of the board / club employees at the time the breaches took place. If the board members are still at the club by the time an investigation begins then points could be docked in certain circumstances.

We also of course need some people who actually are bothered about the game at the FA, PL and FL and who will proactively look for, expose and ruthlessly prosecute the corruption, cheating and rule-breaking in our game without fear or favour.
 
Monkeygrinder's Organ said:
Hmmm, not so sure tbh.

Luton have been in administration 3 times now, through repeated financial mismanagement.
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...and this mismanagement was by people deemed by the Football League to be "fit and proper". They should punish the guilty parties, not the club and it's fans. And the ironic thing is we actually now - for the first time in years - have good owners who are not rich, but are open and honest and have the best interests of the fans, club and community at heart. But the Football League have it in for us and I'm sure they'd like to see us go out of business completely.

In order to come out of admin, we are being forced to sign a document saying we won't appeal the decision. Or we go out of business. The FL have a gun to our heads. The only way I can see us surviving next season is if Bournemouth and Rotherham get points deducted as well....but what football fan wants to see that?
 
Leeds got docked 15 points last year for waht is in reality a worse case than Luton's.

Luton has been mismanaged for years and they get decent owners who thur no fault of their own end up with a shit sandwich.

In Leeds case the owner who put them into adminsistration was the same wide boy who picked up the ownership and ran with it again the following season!!
 
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